In many senses I couldn’t agree more with commenter gregniak when he/she (no assumptions) says,
there is a point in this kind of conversation where the topic (big gov vs. small gov) is so general as to become useless. most people Con’s included want some big gov. big or small just doesn’t say much unless you know what is the purpose: are there C and B, how does it work, who has power, etc….you need to know at least some specifics. national health care is a very different kind of “big gov” then warentless wiretapping, or the drug war or high military spending. each may have there own justifications and problems. the big vs small debate is more about vague posturing and grand pronouncements without actual policy knowledge.
In my mind, the debate on size of government is essentially a convenient but dead horse for partisan rangling. A country the size of America with the kinds of expectations around quality of life of its citizens requires for its effective governance an inherently large government. As has been noted a great deal lately in the wake of the Obama stimulus bill, conservatives of a variety of stripes have tried to shrink the size of government, to little effect. At some point you bump up against the reality of what people expect government to do if they are to remain invested in it and the limitations around how small you can actually make government without undermining that investment.
It seems to me that the much more useful debate is around the scope of government, as I heard articulated by Mickey Edwards in this Bill Moyers interview with Ross Douthat (ostensibly Edwards argues the same thing in his book, but I haven’t read it). My sense of at least interim finality around the size debate does not relfect a corresponding lack of concern around the issues of government intrusion into peoples’ lives and a need for checks and balances, as commenters Bob and Cascadian have been back and forthing about in the comments of the same post. Government may be a large beast, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t look for ways to latch its feet to stakes in the ground in order to impose limitations to its ability to roam freely.
I say all of this with the issue of health care in mind. Today there is a summit happening at the behest of the Obama administration on how to get the costs of health care under control. Coming from a Canadian perspective, I don’t entirely buy the conservatives being adamant about not expanding government’s role in health care so that every citizen has basic coverage. There is no doubt that the Canadian health care system is fraught with problems of its own and those problems, in many cases, require the dynamic thinking of the private world to overcome. But the whole argument that expanding government’s role means an unacceptable intrusion into people’s lives simply doesn’t do justice in my mind to actually asking the question of what elements of peoples’ lives government ought to have some kind of role and what element it ought not to. It just seems too knee-jerk: expansion is bad, always (in the same way that some have pilloried liberals for assuming that regulation in economic affairs is good, always)!
Part of my belief around that being a knee-jerk reaction is that the burden of providing health care coverage in the US seems to be falling predominantly on businesses and if it seems foreign that government should have a role in peoples’ health care, then the idea that said healthcare is the responsibility of business seems like a martian concept to me. There are many ways in which businesses have obligations to their employees due to both the contractual and non-contractual relationship that exists between the two, but providing for something like health care when the primary goal of businesses is to generate revenue and wealth for itself and, ideally, its employees, seems tertiary, if not down right antithetical. That argument goes double-time for me when the burden of providing health care coverage is fundamentally hampering the ability for those businesses to maintain even revenue streams, particularly small businesses.
Given that the conservative/Republican line I’ve heard a lot of lately is that they are the movement/Party committed to small businesses as the driver of success in the country, it strikes me as one of the glaring examples of dogmatic rigidness inherent in the kind of ideological empire building to which I am so averse when this dilemma gets such short shrift in policy formulation.
Now, I’m no health care policy wonk and I know this is a hyper-charged issue in American politics, so I’m sure there are nuances I’ve overlooked. But this is an issue that has vexed me lately, especially given my own perception that the Canadian system, while not perfect, isn’t the armpit of all proposals. I look forward to getting some constructive feedback and having a useful discussion in the comments.
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One thing to add to the whole issue of small government vs. limited government – a belief in limited government resists the intrusion of government into various arenas, but acknowledges that once government has decided to intrude upon an arena, it must have the resources to either do so uniformly or not at all. Anything in the middle results in an arbitrariness that prevents citizens from acting in reliance upon the law, encourages cronyism, and politicizes enforcement decisions.
[Mark, I edited your comment because those url's were sticking out into the main column....E.D.]
Mark, perhaps we were separated at birth?
Sometimes I wonder that myself.
Mark, see your comment #1. Hope you don’t mind….
Scott, really good piece, and so much to think about here. Have you watched this Frontline piece on health insurance? It’s pretty interesting. Tricky to know what’s best…
Thanks, E.D. – one of these days I’ll learn html, I swear.
Okay, Ross Douthat may define himself any way he wants to but is this conservative? (From Part II of the Moyer’s interview.)
“And I think this separates me from Mickey and makes me more of a social conservative than he is in the sense that I think government does have a role to play in conserving those morays and institutions, that America is a nation of, you know, one of the reasons we don’t need the kind of government, strong central governments you have in Europe, is precisely because we’ve always been a nation of strong communities, of strong families, of, you know, churches play a much more enormous role in the social fabric of American life than they do in Europe. Voluntary organizations, the same way. Charitable giving, much higher in the United States than in Europe. And I think all of these tendencies, this is what American conservatism exists in an ideal form to defend.”
I’m sorry but the above is just to scary. I find none of this in the Constitution.
I think this is precisely the argument Obama needs to make to sell health care reform. Leaving the burden of providing health care on the shoulders of business large and small makes little economic sense, particularly in an increasingly global business environment where they’ll be competing with businesses with no such onus. It is far outside the scope of industry to provide such a thing – but well within the purvue of government.
Dynamic, from what I heard of the summit today that is precisely how Obamais selling reform. The line I kept hearing today was roughly that dealing with skyrocketing health care costs would be the prime determinant in America’s economic future.
One needn’t the size of America to run an efficient health care program. I’m no policy wonk either, but watching others debate, it seems France’s system is particularly well thought of. One has to remember the immense size of the US. California is roughly the size of France.
Bob,
I’m not sure the “I don’t find it this in the Constitution” frame is usually a very helpful one. I don’t find anything explicitly supporting government-controlled/mandated health care in the Constitution either. I don’t see anything that expressly condemns either.
Somewhat the same with the Douthat quotation. He says elsewhere that he believes in the separation of church and state (i.e. Constitutionally) but doesn’t think politics (in American history) can be separated from religion. That latter is more a question of how we interpret the Constitution and think the government (as opposed to the state) should be directed via democracy, participatory elections, and the like.
The history backs Ross up. The Progressive movement was largely run by churches and synagogues. The Abolitionist movement was a religious movement first and foremost that got itself involved in politics. Ditto the Civil Rights movement, which was really a Black Christian Religious Revival put to political ends. Obviously in more recent times the Moral Majority crowd and it being in many ways a, if not the backbone of the Reagan revolution.
Not to say all of those are good (I’m not a big fan of the Temperance movement for example), but the kinds of institutions that Douthat labels (churches included but other non-religious ones as well) have played a role in US history and if they decline, that void will undoubtedly be filled by governmental bureaucracy.
The most interesting (imo)–for good and perhaps for ill–that Douthat says is that he thinks conservatism is about “protecting American exceptionalism.” If you think American exceptionalism comes from the Constitution, then maybe he’s not that hard to understand. Or perhaps not that scary after all.
Here’s the thing Chris, I’m the lefty, willing to have great lea way in constitutional interpretation and government action. Douthat claims to be conservative yet says “government does have a role to play in conserving those morays and institutions.” What constitutional provision covers that?
I just find that Douthat is very willing to forgo conservative, limited government, principals when convenient for his position.
Sorry you find my comment unhelpful.
wow it’s like i’m famous or something. i was quoted on the web……sniff…sniff
health care is an important issue for as i have had long family involvement with the system. obama is trying to find a thoughtful solution through discussion and innovation. the R’s are going to lie and do their best to fear monger. i have a lot of trouble seeing conservatives be serious about trying to solve our health care problem.
nobody woiuld ever design a system like the one we have. almost everybody gets screwed in some way, we don’t have better outcomes then comparable rich, western countries yet we pay a butt load more. yet somehow it’s difficult to change.
sadly obama is i think correct, that selling change is as important as coming up with a good plan.
PS i’m a guy named greg who lives in alaska….clever huh
Greg, whatever works (re: your name). And thanks for the great comment I was able to crib, it brought a bunch if thoughts into focus and allowed this post to finally write itself.
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