Andrew et al link to a polling graph that places my misreading of party ID numbers last week in pretty obvious context. I’ve spent the last week thinking a lot about that post and the push back I received to it.
It was a bit surprising to me just how emotionally invested I became in the contents of that post and how charged my own actions became around the ensuing discussion. I’m generally pretty sincere in my writing, but also try to consciously maintain a certain distance from anything I write. I want to be open to as much as possible, unattached to being “right”, and swayed by the best arguments that happen to come along. My thought process on that post might lend some insight into why that wasn’t the case with that particular post and leads well into where my head is at now vis-a-vis its contents.
As you might recall if you read the post, my original intent was to go out and find some statistics that would help to support my thesis that Democrats following Grayson’s lead in leveling rhetoric at Republicans that was on par with the rhetoric that Republicans have often leveled at Democrats was a losing formula. When I found the poll and the graph that I did, I was quite taken aback.
Certainly part of that reaction was my misreading of the numbers, no doubt there. Part of it also, though, was this sinking feeling I had in watching liberals and Democrats rally around Grayson’s comments and start to seem to get the eyes-rolling-into-the-backs-of-their-heads, feeding frenzy look to them and the sense that I had nothing really concrete to use in arguing against that blood lust.
It just seems obviously true to me (and most liberals) that Democrats have spent most of the past decade (if not longer) being whacked around pretty hard by Republicans and not really doing much whacking back. It is then easy to understand why many liberals and Democrats might be hair triggered to see red and start looking to play that Republican game better than Republicans.
Payback, as they say, is a… well it can hurt.
The Pollster.com graph and numbers might now pour some water on that fire, but at the time it seemed to me that there was little in the way of hard statistics to counter that inclination. There seemed to be no downside for Democrats in choosing to tread that path and I found that really disturbing.
The question, of course, is: why? Why should I become so upset and emotionally invested in what struck me as a perfectly understandable reaction from a political party of which I am often critical, but broadly supportive that operates in a country of which I am not a citizen?
It’s a good question. I’ve spent the last week asking it of myself. Here is what I’ve come up with: how we talk about politics matters, and, in fact, it matters a great deal more than I think we generally acknowledge.
The famous Austrian-British philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein once said, “The limits of my language mean the limits of my world.” Without getting too deep into the weeds of Wittgenstein’s philosophical work and its attendant problems, what we can glean from that quote is that the language that we use has a profound impact on how we understand the world around us and our place in that world. That insight is true in pretty much every corner of our lives, no less so in the political corners.
How we choose to language and articulate our political situations and potential solutions fundamentally frames not just the debate, but our very understanding of the debate and the circumstances out of which the debate arises. It is true that there is a lived experience that greatly informs that debate, but the interrelated nature of our linguistically informed understanding of the world and our, for lack of a better phrase, felt experience of the world are not lines that are easily left untangled. There is a give and take, a constant loop of feedback, and so how we talk about our world and, in particular, our politics, will, at the source of our cognitive, perceptive, and analytic processes, affect the very nature of our understanding and actions there within.
As I went through all of that in my head, it also occurred to me that this above isn’t merely a theoretical nicety. There is, off the top of my head, at least one recent example of how the language and tone of a political debate has fundamentally impacted and formed the contours of that debate to both both great effect and great tragedy. That example is, of course, the invasion of Iraq.
Following the traumatic events of 9-11, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and a host of other Republicans managed to take commanding control of the use of language and the tone of debate to both engineer an outcome that they desired and effectively supress the majority, if not all, debate or dissent on that outcome in the mainstream of American political discourse.
Whether it was Condoleeza Rice talking about “smoking guns” and “mushrooms clouds”, George W. Bush mouthing unfounded certitudes about “weapons of mass destruction”, Rumsfeld obfuscating via “known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns”, or any number of Republicans questioning the fundamental patriotism and moral integrity of anyone who dared to question the decision to invade Iraq, language was used as a vicious weapon in shaping not just the terms of the debate, but the basic understanding and analysis that most people brought to that debate, and to great effect.
Even now, Dick Cheney continues to use these same types of linguistic gymnastic around his role in the CIA use of torture.
There is, of course, now a general consensus about the disastrous outcomes of that decision. But that consensus comes far too late in the course of events to have anything other than a postscripting effect and continues to fail in terms of dissecting just how deeply rooted the problems that lead to present circumstances were and are. It might be nice to tack blame for all of those atrocious failures on George W. Bush, but the ways in which language played a fundamental role in not just enabling, but demanding such a severe malfunction in judgment all around is far more endemic to the political arena than such answers are able to explain.
And so it is in this light that I have come to see the clean up of the language and tone we use to engage in and describe our politics as one of, if not, perhaps, the most important exercises of present participants. It should never again be the case that language can be used to so thoroughly and completely blunt the razor edge of our discriminating and critical faculties. How we formulate our political language and frame our political debates must be something to which we append at least a modest amount of our attention, lest we doom ourselves to similar failures and moral abrogations.
To that end, the first step in achieving such reform is, I believe, in overtly refusing to use language as a weapon, under any circumstances. It is, I believe, the very least we can do.
Looking out over the landscape of US political discourse, it seem overwhelmingly clear to me that the Republican Party is not the agent for that kind of change. While it is true that there are a not insignificant number of conservatives who seem only too prepared to assume the appropriated humilities and learn from the mistakes of the past, too many movement conservatives and Republican leaders seem intent on doubling down with a lexicon of manipulation and deceipt as a means of survival and last resort. Ultimately, it would seem, so much the worse for them.
So it appears, then, that the primary players in such reform are Democrats and, indeed, the opportunity is theirs to seize. But insofar as the charge forward is represented by the back pedaling to lowest common denominators of which Rep. Garyson’s comments seem indicative, not only is that opportunity lost, but history seems only too easily repeated at some point in the future.
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Before too many people rush to tut-tut the premise that the GOP is a group of big ol’ meanies and the Democrats are the best hope for the future of political discourse, I might remind readers that in recent weeks (months) the Senate majority leader referrred to health care opponents as ‘evil-mongers’ , the Speaker of the House called them ‘un-American’ and just this morning a DNC spokesperson said that Republicans had joined the Taliban because they were not happy about the President winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
Those are, I think, good demonstrations about why my concerns remain valid, Mike. Good points and I appreciate you bringing them up.
You’re right! The Democrats have clearly shown that they aren’t the best hope for the future of political discourse.
It’s not like the leaders of the GOP (Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly, Coulter, et al) say worse things every single day. And, over the past 8 years, it’s not like much of the GOP said worse things almost every day, while the Democrats sat silently. And, it’s not like the League-beloved Andrew Sullivan vomited screeds against the anti-war crowd for years (not to mention his fixation on The Bell Curve).
I especially like how you didn’t quote Michael Steele’s comments from this morning, since that wouldn’t have helped you use language to frame your political point (Dems are just as bad!) . Thanks for sharing your thoughts, David Brooks.
i guarantee for EVERY instance you can find of a nasty remark by a Republican I can find one by a Democrat. That’s why this whole conversation is incredibly stupid. Both sides do it. It’s a sign of the times and anyone that tries to color one party as worse than the other needs to get out more.
Mike, can we hear your hypothetical Democrats denouncing gay people? Or global warming? Or trying to get creationism taught in science classes? I’d like to see some of your equivalent quotes.
If the whole conversation is “incredibly stupid”, Mike, why are you consistently compelled to participate in it? Wouldn’t you be better off spending your time talking to people who are more intelligent? Seems like a waste of yr time to yammer on withall us morons who insist on engaging in this “incredibly stupid” conversation…
Scott – my apologies if ‘stupid’ was a bit harsh. And just for the record – having a stupid conversation doesn’t imply a lack of intelligence. Believe me, I have ‘stupid’ conversations with my buddies over beers on a regular basis and I consider them all to be bright fellows. So maybe frustrating is a better choice of words.
The point is that obviously I disagree strongly with your notion that the Democrats are the only hope for the future of civil discourse. As I pointed out, Democrats at the highest level of our government are willing to engage in statements that are every bit as inflammatory as those things you hear from Republicans. Now we can all have a lengthy and fruitless pissing match about the frequency of those kinds of remarks from both sides but what does that accomplish?
If it makes all the liberals (and their broadly supportive friends) around here happy I will be happy to admit that Republicans use harsh rhetoric with more frequency than liberals. I think we do it because that’s just sort of how we talk and maybe we’re prone to hyperbole. What I don’t accept is the nefarious manipulation-and-deceit angle that is used to characterize that speech. My belief is that it’s much more a symptom of our culture than our Machivellian tendencies.
I also think liberals need to own up to their own forays into the land of mudslinging. I’m a Kentucky boy and there isn’t a person in this state who has observed our politics for more than 5 minutes without understanding that liberals/Democrats can destroy people with words just as efficiently as Republicans. I suspect citizens of other states can tell similar stories (any Chicago residents in the house?) On the national stage, as I pointed out, Democrats at the highest level of our government feel comfortable using pretty stiff language. What concerns me is the way it is brushed off by their supporters as an anomaly.
So here’s my proposal: How about those of us who generally do talk to each other in civil tones keep doing so and we stop worrying about the people that don’t. How, you say, can we do that when they are all on the airwaves daily, with conservatives trying to manipulate the public and liberals pretending their words are less hurtful? It’s easy enough…we educate ourselves better and maybe become a little more jaded. Liberals say that conservatives are terrible people because they use their words to manipulate. But the implication is that those liberals themselves are immune to this manipulation because obviously they are intelligent enough to spot it in the first place. In spite of this immunity they remain concerned, so I can only assume they don’t believe the rest of the country is equally smart enough to dodge these. So again, let’s educate them. Let’s make sure that every person that reaches voting age is armed with a bullshit detector that will catch even the most silver-tongued of mudslingers. Once they all do, then liberals can be a little less outraged when conservatives spout off and conservatives don’t have to point out the hypocrisy every time liberals same something nasty, because the public is going to see through it all anyway.
This is a long comment and to wrap up I will just say that it’s very hard for me to get upset in general about harsh rhetoric from either side when I’ve read the kind of things that Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton said about one another. Our American government is a beautiful thing we inherited from our Founding Fathers. Harsh political rhetoric seems to be the other. At the end of the day, in over 200 years, the latter seems to have had little impact on the strength of the former.
I’ll take a simple stab at this:
It’s a sign of the times and anyone that tries to color one party as worse than the other needs to get out more.
Let’s choose the topic of non-white races and the rhetoric used for or against those groups of people.
Are the Republicans worse or are the Democrats worse?
According to your logic they are the same. This is ludicrous. But, I think you already knew that. You are just very comfortable with the Brooksian-view of the world, since it lets you (and your ideology) off the hook.
NB: I could have brought up a much more difficult topic for you to argue equivalence – support for torture vs. support for a nation of laws.
Scott, this is a great essay. Here’s an insight I had a few years ago, then forgot, then remembered, then forgot, and recently remembered again (thanks to the discussions on this website). Try it on for size.
These are not merely political discussions. They are moral discussions. Indeed, they are *RELIGIOUS* discussions.
When discussing these topics, for my part, I find that I discover buttons I never knew I had. Reading an essay about, I don’t know, zoning and I stumble across an analogy to, I don’t know, abortion or something (e.g., “my building, my choice”) and finding oneself seriously offended. I step back and say “why in the hell am I getting incensed about an essay about FREAKING *ZONING*????”
I dig, and I dig, and I dig down and find previously unexpressed opinions on abortion, on property, on slavery (on slavery???), on all sorts of things. The essay I was reading scratched that little tiny boil and I was amazed at the stuff that leaked out (and with such force!).
I’ve reached the conclusions that, though post-Christian we may be, we still have our various totems and to see them molested by others (or worse, dismissed as little more than painted wood) calls forth the same adrenal response as our ancestors felt when they saw Catholics/Protestants acting like Catholics/Protestants. And older, when we saw the other tribe acting like the other tribe.
We hold up our little gris-gris and *KNOW* that we are protected and luckier because of it… and nothing is worse than the guy who laughs and points and says that that’s just a woven bag and those are just rocks and a, well, it’s not a finger bone from an enemy, it’s a knuckle bone from a pig!
And that mockery is all the worse when they hold up their own gris-gris and explain how you need a leather bag and grave dirt to make it work.
For my part, I have found that the realization that “This Is A Religious Discussion” is one that is transcendental. It immediately frees me from my attachment to “winning” rather than exploring. If there’s a downside, it’s that a great many discussions that were “moral discussions” a moment before the insight immediately transformed into “SHRIMP IS BAD! LEVITICUS!” “NO IT’S NOT! ACTS!” and it becomes very difficult not to be overwhelmed by the giggles (and, eventually, nihilism).
Now, of course, that insight may not work for you. That’s cool. I’d ask you to try it on for a second the next time you find yourself surprised at how attached you are to the issues raised in a discussion of, say, zoning.
That actually meshes really well with some ideas I’ve held on politics and communicating for a couple of years and have been turning around in my head trying to find a half decent articulation for. I need to dash off to record a podcast, but I might try to use your comment here as a launching pad to talk about those ideas.
Thanks for that.
Jaybird, could you define “religious” here? Aren’t you just putting a new, metaphorical skin on the idea that politics is tribal?
I’m talking about the pre-rational attachment to a particular world view and the “knowledge” that comes with it. This knowledge is held as fiercely and about as open to debate as the knowledge that God loves you and wants you to be happy.
I mean, sure, politics is tribal. That strikes me as somewhat uninteresting.
I’m interested in the emotional response that inspires an individual to say “your world view is evil” in a discussion on taxation and redistribution. Calling this “tribalism” does not, exactly, cover that. In any case, “tribalism” is more of the group phenomenon.
My focus is on the very personal experiences of deep, pre-rational, attachment to these ideas that seem tailor-made for dispassion. (e.g., zoning.)
Zoning is tailor-made for dispassion? That’s a real whopper, I think.
NIMBY applies here, which is not a pre-rational attachment to an idea. It is opposition to placement, not necessarily to the idea itself.
Regardless, zoning is definitely not tailor-made for dispassion. Have you ever been to a zoning hearing? They’re worse than political debates because they directly effect the immediate environment of some people.
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with the NIMBIES, just pointing out that zoning is fraught with danger and passion. You need a better example, IMO.
Okay, fine. A 1.5% difference in the rate of taxation for people in a different tax bracket than the one that one currently resides in.
(The zoning stuff that I’ve seen in Colorado is about as exciting as a Denny’s menu.)
I am hopelessly lost. Please send the National Geographic Search Team.
It seems like you are saying that there are some people who have deeply emotional, pre-rational ideas about those who a) oppose or b) approve a 1.5% increase in a certain tax bracket. Or, more simply, that there are some whose knee-jerk reaction to a discussion of tax increases (for tax brackets other than one’s own) is to say “That’s good!” or “That’s evil!”.
But, this does not seem pre-rational to me and is not a dispassionate topic at all. Though, certainly, it is emotional, as in the NIMBY example. However, an emotional response does not mean it is pre-rational. Passion is not the enemy of reason (although Daryl Zero would say that passion is the enemy of precision).
But, as I said, I am lost and do not understand the point you are trying to make.
JHG, I am *NOT* saying that there are not rational responses to these things as well. I’m talking about the idea that someone in an entirely different tax bracket than the one that you’re in paying a difference of 1.5% gets couched in moral language.
There are those who argue that an increase of 1.5% of someone else’s tax bracket is evil.
There are those who argue that a decrease of 1.5% of someone else’s tax bracket is evil.
There are even those who argue that *NOT* increasing (or decreasing) by 1.5% is evil.
We’re no longer talking about MBY at that point. We’re talking about SEBY.
Have you *NOT* seen what I’m talking about here? That’s fair too, of course… but I have seen things in addition to the NIMBY stuff you’re talking about (and, indeed, experienced it) that go beyond (or, really, before) a mere “leave me alone” (or “give me back what you have stolen”) into a “This Is Not The Way The World Ought To Be” mindset.
Have you not seen this? Have all of the discussions you’ve seen been MBY discussions with people who had interests in the issues at hand because they involved pies that they had (or wanted to have) their fingers in?
Oh, I have certainly seen what you are talking about. I understand your point.
The trouble is that I’ve seen what you’re talking about in everything. Pick a topic/issue/subject and there are people who want to meddle in someone else’s business and have knee-jerk reactions to these litmus issues (for them). This is just human nature. It’s not a religious discussion – it’s just a human discussion.
Humanity is not homogeneity.
Back in Scott’s original essay, he asked: The question, of course, is: why? Why should I become so upset and emotionally invested in what struck me as a perfectly understandable reaction from a political party of which I am often critical, but broadly supportive that operates in a country of which I am not a citizen?
My original essay was written to explain what was going on with me when I found myself experiencing that.
Now, sure. Maybe it doesn’t explain everything… but when I find myself surprised by a reaction of mine, it’s usually tied to a belief that has an analogue in religious language.
I generalize from my own experience and assume that everybody is similar, of course (but that’s okay, everybody does that) and come to the conclusion that there are a lot more religious discussions going on than appear at face value. All of them? Sure that’s an overstatement.
But there are a lot more of them than I used to think there were. I suspect that they hide in a lot of places (sports, politics, entertainment, even food).
As I said in my original essay, hey. Try the insight on when you find yourself surprised by your response to something you thought you’d be more dispassionate about.
If it doesn’t work for you, it doesn’t work for you. If it does, see what else it points out and explains.
For my part, it explains hella. Hella.
I LOVE this comment Jaybird! One of the best I think I’ve ever read on this site. I’ll have to archive this one.
I have my moments.
Propaganda, in all its costumes, remains ugly.
Jaybird,
Your post reminds me that I really need to read Carl Schmitt’s Political Theology soon.
A big part of communication is the meta message. the words are often less important then the emotion, stance and tone. Josh Marshall captures that well with his bitch slap theory of politics. Strength is demonstrated by sounding confident, even strident, and acting strong. the words may be stupid but the message of strength is conveyed.
Try putting Obama’s Peace Prize and the call to decline from the American right in meta.
Americans have been called to lead the effort for a nuclear-arms free future, the effort to energy sustainability, and to Peace through dialogue.
Not accepting means saying no to a nuclear-free world, no to climate change, no to peace. And it wouldn’t be Obama saying no, it would be US saying no.
Sounds like a badass strategy to me; and not the image I’d opt to wear when talking with other countries.
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