{ 3 comments }

1 Rufus January 11, 2010 at 3:11 pm

First off, I am charmed and flattered by this response!

Secondly, I’m sure you realize that I was expressing reservations, worries, nervousness, and so forth. But, of course, I hope no one thinks I was saying that online organizing is “bad” or counterproductive, or anything of the sort. Like you’ve suggested, I think it’s very helpful, so long as we remember that it’s only a first step.

The Facebook page is a good example, and a case of synchronicity- I had the site in the back of my mind. I’ve joined as well and, while I am thrilled that they have reached 130,000 or whatever it is today, I noticed that a lot of talk on their “wall” has been focused on those numbers. “We need to hit 150,000! Everyone change your profile pic! That will really show them!”

My feeling is that, no, it won’t. It has to be geared towards some sort of political engagement in the physical world. Because, as you pointed out, already critics are discounting the Facebook page as “just people clicking a link”. I’m definitely going to go attend the Toronto rally on the 23rd, and I am hoping that there will be just as many people there, if not more, than have joined the Facebook group from Toronto. I think the critics are probably wrong! The misgivings that I was expressing were tied to a (perhaps irrational) fear that, perhaps, I’d get there and be very lonely.

But, probably not. I hope that Canadian political culture is changing, and I hope the same is happening in the US. (as a Canadian-American!) What worries me, I suppose, is that I already get a lot of emailings from political groups that want me to contribute to efforts to “raise awareness”, which seems to me akin to the Mitch Hedberg joke about handing someone a flier being like saying, “Here, you throw this out!”- in this case, “raising awareness” can be like saying, “hey, you do something!”

What I worry about is that people will forget that, to a certain extent, the “powers that be” don’t care if you bitch online- you need to prove that it’s just a preview of real-world engagement. Having said that, what is deeply important to me about sites like this one or FPR is that they cut through the din of the left/right grudge match and discuss political issues as questions to consider deeply instead of points to be scored. That is extremely worthwhile. I find the discussion here to be extremely valuable, as someone who feels alienated from both the Huff-Po and Freeper continuums.

I just hope we remember that getting together to organize, work in our communities, or even just have dinner or a few beers is infinitely worthwhile, and can’t be replicated. The Internet still cannot transmit the smell of cooking onions!

2 Roque Nuevo January 11, 2010 at 5:08 pm

That was an introspective post if there ever was one. Fine by me but it almost makes it bad manners to comment: Since we’re into feelings here, it makes one feel as if he had intruded on someone’s private prayers in a time of distress. The guilty urge to gawk is overpowering but so is the urge to avert one’s gaze.

But since I used the word “almost” and what we call the subjunctive mood above, I think I’ll just go ahead and comment anyhow:

What got my interest off the bat was the epigraph. I admit I haven’t heard of Micheal Hardt before this, but whoever he may be, he has written a pithy description of the leftist, liberal, or “unconstrained” vision of politics and society: It’s taken for granted that any goodthinking comrade who reads his sentence will have the Revolution (sometimes known as the Change) as his or her Utopia; there is the same old belief in the causal chain, Revolution—>Transformation of Human Nature, which is almost a relic by now of the French Revo; most of all there is the clear implication that the intelligentsia, people like Michael Hardt, perhaps, will be in charge of transforming us ordinary humans. Not only that but they (and he) will be evaluating the results so as to liquidate any incapacity for democracy (whatever that means). Of course I’m not saying the Hardt himself would fit in here. I don’t know anything about him. But, everything else being equal, his sentence could easily have been pronounced by Robespierre (although admittedly it would have had much more rhetorical power).

But then I found that your piece was about your feelings about blogging and only touched on the “vision thing” alluded to by your epigraph. Since it isn’t really a part of your text, it would be unfair of me base myself on the subtext and then attribute any political views to you whatsoever.

In the end, then, your piece was much more confusing for me than otherwise: reflections on the political nature of “social networking” really don’t interest me much but the “vision thing” does: is it possible that you view blogging and “social networking” as transformative elements in a Revolutionary Process? Is it possible that you view these things not only as ways to increase accountability, expand and enhance the free exchange of ideas, etc etc, but as a means of making people more capable of democracy (whatever that means) and therefore of hastening the advent of the Revolution?

3 Aziz January 12, 2010 at 9:36 am

With the increase in noise, you get an increase in signal that results in more information being available to more people in a more engaging fashion than ever before. It only makes sense that the din which has always attended political sparring would get all the more rancorous given the necessity of those circumstances.

This is such an important point and I am often astonished at how people always think that more signal, less noise is automatically a good thing. kudos to you for making a distinction.

You might find my own musings on signal to noise ratio in the Web 2.0 world of interest, in that regard.

Comments on this entry are closed.

Previous post:

Next post: