President Obama and Progressive Criticism

by Scott H. Payne on June 18, 2010

Over at the Daily Dish, Andrew was really driving the shiv for the President yesterday, as he has been wont to do of late.

First,

I sure understand why people feel powerless and angry about the vast forces that control our lives and over which we seem to have only fitful control – big government and big business. But it seems to me vital to keep our heads and remain focused on what substantively can be done to address real problems, and judge Obama on those terms. When you do, you realize that the left’s “disgruntleist” faction needs to take a chill pill.

And then,

This is amazing to me. If Obama did not get the money from BP, he’d be a useless Carter. Now that he has, he’s a commie. And this is also part of his core political skill. He drives his opponents mad, and in the end, their total incoherence and malice will hurt them. In the end, because he won’t take the Modo bait, the destruction of the populist ideological right will be more effective and profound because it will be self-destruction. Yes, this means that you have to endure these loonies posturing and making shit loads of money from it for the foreseeable future. But that merely requires steel and patience. Maybe some Democrats, liberal cable hosts and bloggers could do with a little more of both.

Look, Barack Obama is not a bad president. But he is, as Andrew himself notes, an incrementalist president. Contra wide-eyed dreaminess during the 2008 election and the continued assertions of the magical realist right, a modest and moderate president is precisely who the country elected and has gotten.

And it is for that reason that progressive/lefty/angry/fringe/whatever we’re calling them these days bloggers should do the exact opposite of Andrew’s advice and press their case even more forcefully.

Andrew and folks like Jonathan Chait keep trumpeting how this administration is “racking up” legislative victories. And, you know, fair enough. It is true that the President and his fellow Democrats have “gotten shit done”. But that doesn’t invalidate the criticisms that progressives keep sending their way.

I’ve gone through the “glorious victory” argument in some detail both over at True/Slant and for the Washington Examiner, so I won’t reproduce the arguments here. If you’re interested, check out the linked pieces.

But to take the latest victory argument that Andrew proposes on: is the $20B escrow account a win? Yes. Should all frustrations about how the administration has chosen to deal with the spill — frustrations that not only liberal cable show hosts and bloggers feel — thereby be erased? No, not at all.

It is better than not that the President was able to get BP to put the money aside to — maybe — deal with the country’s worst environmental disaster, for which BP is responsible. But, frankly, that’s just what we should expect from BP. You spill it, you clean it up. Or, at least, you pay to clean it up.

This is business, there are risks. When your negligence causes those risks to become a reality, you’re on the hook for dealing with the consequences. Just in the same way that when you go about your business in such a way as to manage those risks in a competent manner and your work pays off in big profits, you reap those rewards.

This is just a fundamental principle of business.

That Obama got BP to live up to their end of the bargain on that principle just doesn’t strike me as remarkable. In short, the escrow account is an outcome of BP doing what they should be doing. That people like Andrew are inclined to take the news as some big achievement says more about the depressingly sad state of our expectations on this front than it does about the President’s negotiating skills or effectiveness.

When the “glorious victory” line of argumentation runs its course, the common secondary position is to note that the President really doesn’t have all that much power when it comes to domestic affairs. Again, fair enough, this is an accurate point.

But is it so much for progressives to ask that the President and his administration don’t work directly against many of their goals? Whether we’re talking about an utter lack of real effort (to Rahm Emanuel’s outright hostility) in regards to the pubic option and backroom deals with the pharmaceutical industry on health care or striking a populist tone in speeches about financial reform while working behind the scenes to claw back all of the toughest measures, the President, regardless of his constitutional power on domestic issues, has actively worked to undermine progressives most valued goals.

Is it really unfair, then, that Obama become fair game for criticism in this regard? This hardly strikes me as either surprising or controversial.

But the real point here is that the criticism progressives keep hurling at the President and many of their fellow Democrats is a feature of American politics, not a bug. And it is a terribly valuable feature at that.

Pivoting off of a post I wrote for the Examiner yesterday on Keith Olberman’s departure from the Daily Kos,

Politics is supposed to be vicious, no matter what side you happen to be on. It is the ferocity of American politics that make it such a standard bearer. Ideas and courses of action are exposed to an unrelenting torrent of critical analysis. And sometimes the most challenging criticism is that which comes forth from one’s own camp.

American politics is a full-contact sport and, granted, sometimes people get hurt. But on the whole, the consistent pursuit of testing ideas in the public square winds up being a boon to the country. Indeed, such activity underwrites the very heritage and history of the country.

But when those deliberations become merely a matter of one side versus another, something vital is lost. The whole process becomes a wholly predictable pantomime, a daily parade of sound and fury. The substance behind what is being done gives way to simple theatrics, smoke and mirrors, and a burgeoning sense that none of it really matters much anymore.

This seems to be a point that Andrew has either forgotten or is incapable of acknowledging over his personal predilection towards the President.

One of the hallmark features of a representative democracy is that those with different viewpoints be given the opportunity to argue for their ideas in a vigorous and, at times, vicious fashion. And the benefit of having a ostensibly centrist and incrementally inclined president is that those who do not fall under the mantle of “moderates” can, on occasion, make their arguments forcefully enough to move the president in their direction.

There are instances where this isn’t just desirable, it is vital. A look at financial reform is instructive in this fashion.

The President spent much of the lead up to the Senate’s vote on financial reform sounding populist alarms about the evils of Wall Street and the need for substantive change. And yet, as James Kwak of Baseline Scenario pointed out, a quote from John Heilman’s New York magazine piece on the process demonstrates that the administration was working behind the scenes to blunt the most sweeping changes that were being proposed,

Geithner’s team spent much of its time during the debate over the Senate bill helping Senate Banking Committee chair Chris Dodd kill off or modify amendments being offered by more-progressive Democrats. A good example was Bernie Sanders’s measure to audit the Fed, which the administration played a key role in getting the senator from Vermont to tone down. Another was the Brown-Kaufman Amendment, which became a cause célèbre among lefty reformers such as former IMF economist Simon Johnson. ‘If enacted, Brown-Kaufman would have broken up the six biggest banks in America,’ says the senior Treasury official. ‘If we’d been for it, it probably would have happened. But we weren’t, so it didn’t.

I mean, come on. That is pretty glaring. And so if financial reform is allowed to emerge from conference the stronger beast that it became through the process of its debate, it will not be because of the efforts of the President and his administration. Rather, that victory will be because progressive Democrats bucked the wishes of their President and administration to do what they thought was in the best interests of the country by proposing amendments to pass the strongest financial reform possible.

Had those same progressives taken Andrew’s advice and just “chilled” or acted with “steel and patience” that the Obama administration was merely waiting to outlast its adversaries and enact stronger legislation — the very argument that was made in regards to health care that Ezra Klein notes today likely won’t come to pass — those possibilities would never have seen the light of day.

Such alignment isn’t always the case. There are times where the ideas and goals of progressives don’t represent what is either possible or even sometimes preferable. But telling them to shut up and get in line ensures that when the opportunities do come along, they will be missed.

And following that course doesn’t just result in missed opportunities. As I mentioned, it takes something vital from the political process. Instead of robust and valuable discourse and debate, it promotes, instead, fealty and obedience — a passive and disengaged population that fecklessly acquiesces to a sham, dressed up as democracy.

Andrew Sullivan is a fan of President Barack Obama. That’s fine. Andrew has a right to his opinion and has some relatively persuasive reasoning behind that opinion. No one begrudges Andrew that perspective.

But rather than treating those of us with a more critical analysis to condescending throw away lines suggesting we just don’t get it, perhaps Andrew wouldn’t mind stopping to consider that we have, you know, a point. Even if it’s a point with which he disagrees.

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{ 31 comments }

1 North June 18, 2010 at 1:02 pm

That’s Andrew for you. Quite a polarized fellow. I’m prone to hyperbole myself but he is the blogosphere’s reigning King (Queen?) of it.

Still read him obsessively though.

2 silentbeep June 21, 2010 at 9:57 am

Queen? Oh come on.

3 Jaybird June 21, 2010 at 10:02 am

HE’LL SAVE EVERY ONE OF US

4 North June 21, 2010 at 12:44 pm

@silentbeep, I love Sully, but on subjects like Hillary during the primaries or Palin any time you can almost envision him clutching the pearls as he shrieks. It’s a criticism from me but a loving one, I love wacky hyperbole. S’why Koz or Bob can always can get a smile out of me.

5 Mike Schilling June 18, 2010 at 1:14 pm

That Obama got BP to live up to their end of the bargain on that principle just doesn’t strike me as remarkable.

Then you’ve never heard of the Exxon Valdez.

6 North June 18, 2010 at 1:45 pm

@Mike Schilling, I believe he’s thinking in terms of principle instead of practical.
In principle expecting BP to pay for the mess they’ve made is a no brainer and that they’re adhering to that is unremarkable.
In practice there are all kinds of ways BP could evade these obligations and that they’re being nailed down this way is a bit of a coup.

7 nadezhda June 18, 2010 at 1:59 pm

@North, Yep. It’s also a problem of timing. Resitution delayed is recovery denied. A small business may finally get a court award after a decade or two of class actions. But their business — and their employees jobs and the town they live in — is long gone. So achieving a short-cut on processing the fairly straight-forward smallish claims is a huge win.

8 Scott H. Payne June 18, 2010 at 2:00 pm

@nadezhda, Hm, fair ball. I may have overstated my case in this issue, then.

9 gregiank June 18, 2010 at 2:20 pm

@Scott H. Payne, up until this year….yes this year….Exxon was still fighting paying for the Valdez spill. The escrow account is a big win for the good guys.

10 Scott H. Payne June 18, 2010 at 3:02 pm

@gregiank, yeah, I’m prepared to walk back on this.

11 nadezhda June 18, 2010 at 2:15 pm

There are a couple of things going on here that need to be teased apart. On the one hand, there’s policy-making politics. How to get Obama to do the things you want him to do (thought you elected him to do). And on that score, it’s important to keep pressure on across all fronts, including making lots of noise, when he doesn’t go as far as you think he should or heads in what you think is the wrong direction.

On the other hand, there’s electoral politics. Obama’s not going to be able to get anything done you want to see happen if he has to deal with a Republican-controlled House or a skinny majority in a filibuster-crazed Senate. So getting your folks to the polls at the mid-terms is as or more important than any single issue.

The problem that Sullivan, Chait and Tomasky are pointing out is that the media (and the Dems who are making noise) aren’t giving Obama any credit for his significant accomplishments. Which means the only noise being heard by the mass of not-very-attentive potential voters is the hysteria on the Right and the anger from folks who ought to be Obama supporters. That keeps the enthusiasm gap between potential Repubican and Democratic voters huge and growing. It also reduces the White House’s leverage vis a vis “centrist” Senators, so all the negativity even has the potential to be self-defeating as a matter of policy-making politics.

I don’t know how to overcome the media’s reluctance to report on Obama’s accomplishments. But it seems like part of the responsibility should rest on those who really don’t want the GOP to rack up massive gains in November. So maybe a “he’s doing great cleaning up messes the GOP would create again if they got back in power, but it’s way too little” needs to be the message. Hard to pull off, however. Especially given the media’s hunger for the “Dems at war with each other” part of the story. However, over the decades, the GOP has been much more successful with that mixed message than the Dems, whose story-line is inevitably circular firing squads or cat-herding.

And btw. We should have learned our lesson, not just during Bush 43 but the past 18 months, that Nader was 100% wrong — there in fact is just about all the difference in the world between the Dems and the GOP, both in Congress and the White House.

12 Koz June 21, 2010 at 7:16 am

“So maybe a “he’s doing great cleaning up messes the GOP would create again if they got back in power, but it’s way too little” needs to be the message. Hard to pull off, however.”

That message is going nowhere. 1. Most people don’t believe it, including a substantial number of liberals. 2. For many of those who do believe that, it’s a unexpressed gut feeling instead of a proposition to be directly advocated. 3. The people who could argue that case won’t because it depends on explicitly repudiating the self-determination of the American people.

13 Bob Cheeks June 18, 2010 at 3:29 pm

When’s the Kenyan communist going to plug the damn hole?

14 Koz June 20, 2010 at 9:13 pm

Exactly. This whole business of this multibillion dollar escrow account is lipstick on a pig, and (for me at least) a very illustrative example at that. Both Obama and the netroots base are corrupted by folk Marxism. Ie, the world’s economic production is more or less a given, and the essence of politics is to make sure that enough of it goes to ourselves or our favored recipients.

Unfortunately for the President, it’s obvious to everyone but him that he is attempting to solve the wrong problem. Who pays for cleanup is secondary issue to stopping the leak in the first place. Relative to where we are now, we’d be far better off if somehow BP or the gov’t had figured out a way to stop the spill after three weeks and BP successfully lawyered up and avoided liability.

As this relates to the original post, the progressive netroots are an angry pitbull: sometimes they bite the conservative cultural figures, sometimes they bite the liberal political establishment, sometimes they bite themselves. You could say that with training they will learn to bite the “right” people and leave everyone else alone. But considering that progressives have no useful role in American political affairs and little prospect of finding one, it’s better to call animal control and let them deal with it.

15 greginak June 20, 2010 at 10:35 pm

@Koz, you know who else compared people to animals don’t you?

16 Koz June 20, 2010 at 11:15 pm

Not offhand, but whoever it was I’m sure it was bad. That was just an analogy and I don’t want it to be taken the wrong way so let me walk back the pit bull business.

Instead let’s say this: the Left in America is hopelessly corrupted because of their folk Marxist mentality (and other things). This is especially topical for America because the American people have less folk Marxist mentality than just about any other industrialized country on Earth.

The essential resentments inherent in this mentality are magnified for the netroots and other politically active progressives, since they spend more of their energies dwelling on such things (and without the responsibilities of being accountable which distinguishes them from the likes of President Obama).

Therefore, instead of trying to figure out criteria for correctly (re)focusing these resentments, the progressives should simply give them up altogether since their participation in public affairs is entirely pathological in the first place.

17 Mike Schilling June 21, 2010 at 10:01 pm

@Koz, Relative to where we are now, we’d be far better off if somehow BP or the gov’t had figured out a way to stop the spill after three weeks and BP successfully lawyered up and avoided liability.

And even better off if BP had spent that time invented a time machine that would let them avoid drilling that well in the first place.

18 Koz June 21, 2010 at 10:59 pm

Well, yes, but if the President advocated that in a speech in nationally televised speech he’d look even sillier than he does now.

19 Mike Schilling June 22, 2010 at 8:39 am

@Koz,
Sillier than suggesting that holding BP responsible for the damage they’re causing has interfered with getting the leak plugged? I don’t think so.

20 Koz June 22, 2010 at 12:50 pm

Who’s saying that?

What I’m saying is that Obama’s THEY MUST PAY tack is symptomatic of his folk Marxist outlook that he brings to every remotely economic issue, not just this one.

Fortunately, it’s not cutting any ice with the American people at the moment.

21 Mike Schilling June 23, 2010 at 12:03 am

Holding people (whether fleshly or corporate) responsible for the consequences of their actions is Marxism now?

You know, conservatives used to claim to be realists who understood the iron laws of the dismal science. Now they’re magical thinkers who don’t think that economic incentives affect corporate behavior, but engineering problems will get solved if only the president wishes for them strongly enough.

22 Jason Kuznicki June 23, 2010 at 4:18 am

@Mike Schilling,

Agreed entirely. “They must pay” is the first principle of torts in the common law. Make the offending party pay, and do what you can to make the victims whole. If that’s Marxist, then I’m a Marxist too.

23 Koz June 23, 2010 at 7:02 am

Well, in America at least the adjudication of torts is not a Presidential function.

On the other hand, disaster recovery is an executive function, or at least has been taken to be in the last few decades. It just happens to be one that the President has shown little interest or aptitude for. His head is somewhere else, ie, folk Marxism.

24 Mike Farmer June 18, 2010 at 4:40 pm

The fact is that those on the left who want Obama to do more are shit-bird crazy, and those who think he hasn’t done too much are in denial, and those who want him to do less are brilliant.

25 Koz June 20, 2010 at 8:45 pm

Actually, the liberals’ political calculations are actually quite levelheaded and plausible in comparison to their ideas for America, which are a disaster and have been for the last forty years at least.

26 Mike Schilling June 21, 2010 at 10:04 pm

@Mike Farmer,
The fact is that those on the left who want Obama to do more are shit-bird crazy

The ones that want him to close Guantanamo, give its inmates genuine trials instead of Star Chamber hearings, and end state-sponsored kidnapping and torture are quite sane, it seems to me.

27 Mike Farmer June 18, 2010 at 4:43 pm

Oh, I forgot — are there still people who think Sullivan has anything relevant to say? I’ll wager 99.9% of the population don’t know who he is, and the rest simply put up with him.

28 Zach June 18, 2010 at 7:17 pm

The problem is that Greenwald and Hamsher pretend that the people who disagree with them do so solely out of dedication to Obama. They belittle anyone who crosses them as an OBot or someone following Dear Leader. Pointing out that the individual mandate would’ve been preferable but was a very small piece of healthcare reform means you’re in the tank for Obama. Suggesting that perhaps the response to the spill has been appropriately massive means you’re a shill for BP and don’t want any heat coming on Obama. On a site at Firedoglake, I asked specifically what commenters there think Obama or BP should’ve done differently after the spill. The immediate result was paranoid comments that I work for BP (as if BP would hire someone to troll Firedoglake). There’s a paranoia underlying this whole axis of criticism that makes actual debate next to impossible.

And, yes, there are areas where Obama is powerless to make good on promises thanks to the weak cohesion of the Democratic congressional coalition. The number one frustration I have with this administration concerns detainee issues (trials, detention, interrogation). The fact is that Congress has amply displayed it’s willingness and ability to block any attempt to humanely deal with detainees within the law. There’s an irony in Greenwald et al’s criticism of apparent abuses of executive power when, with an unchecked executive branch, we’d already have the closure of Guantanamo and criminal trials of detainees. Not to mention real CO2 emissions reductions, public health insurance available to everyone, amnesty, and progressive tax reform. Is Obama actually acting out of opposition to these policies? I doubt it.

29 cuero June 19, 2010 at 5:22 am

The question is: How much attention should Obama pay to Progressives? Why? becuse Progressives make a lot of snse on some matters; and, Progressives are an important part of the coalition that elected Obama. But, Obama is a smart man who thinks for himself. I voted for him because of his judgement. I did not vote for him because he does what I tell him to do.

I think that Obama should: determine what is right, then go ahead.

Perhaps a few disgruntled progressives should, off the record, observe, in silence, four hours of Obama’s day from 8 am to 12 noon.

30 Mike Farmer June 20, 2010 at 8:21 am

@cuero,
This pretty much overlooks the fact that Obama is a progressive. The problem is not that Obama doesn’t support progressivism, he does — the problem is that he can’t just push his progressive agenda through quickly enough for the progressive movement. This is not a jab at Obama — he’s a progressive and it needs to be understood. There’s no value in pretending Obama is a centrist caught between two extremes — if he had the power, he’d move forward with lightning speed with the progressive agenda — he’s stated it before, over and over.

31 Michael Drew June 20, 2010 at 12:56 am

Keep in mind that Sullivan is a “conservative.” By whatever his prevailing standard of achievement, in his view this president is not getting his due publicly for his. He may say that progressives should give it to him, but obviously, he can’t speak for them. Ultimately, he is speaking for himself, and i think we can generally take hime to be making the normative case for greater recognition at most to centrist establishment media types and people he fancies as “principled” conservatives like himself. he may heap a bit of scorn on committed progressives for not giving more credit, but my impression is he certainly gets that Obama isn’t going to get that break from them, and from their perspective shouldn’t. (I.e. I think he understands the idea of interest group pressure politics and how that is going to look as it plays out.)

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