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		<title>Comment on Why are some academic fields still male-dominated? by Rose Woodhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose Woodhouse</dc:creator>
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		<description>There was a study in phil. Women get invited to more on-campus interviews, yet being a female is no advantage when it comes to actually getting a job. I think departments are supposed to be able to report to the administration that they at least interviewed female or minority candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a study in phil. Women get invited to more on-campus interviews, yet being a female is no advantage when it comes to actually getting a job. I think departments are supposed to be able to report to the administration that they at least interviewed female or minority candidates.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why are some academic fields still male-dominated? by Rose Woodhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose Woodhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 07:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m surprised the disparity is so great in history. Interesting. What&#039;s the difference between cultural and social history?

There are male and female areas of philosophy, too. Ethics and history of philosophy are female. Metaphysics, epistemology, logic are male. Interestingly, aesthetics is considered to be one of the female areas, but I have not found that to be the case. Philosophy of mind and language are thought to be male areas, but I see just as many women in those fields. Also, the fields with which they overlap, i.e., cog sci, psych, and linguistics,  have more females than males.

I did also have a phil grad student say to me that women couldn&#039;t do logic. Most wouldn&#039;t dream of saying something like that directly. He was drunk. He also had a female logician on his dissertation committee, and seemed concerned with being able to meet her standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m surprised the disparity is so great in history. Interesting. What&#8217;s the difference between cultural and social history?</p>
<p>There are male and female areas of philosophy, too. Ethics and history of philosophy are female. Metaphysics, epistemology, logic are male. Interestingly, aesthetics is considered to be one of the female areas, but I have not found that to be the case. Philosophy of mind and language are thought to be male areas, but I see just as many women in those fields. Also, the fields with which they overlap, i.e., cog sci, psych, and linguistics,  have more females than males.</p>
<p>I did also have a phil grad student say to me that women couldn&#8217;t do logic. Most wouldn&#8217;t dream of saying something like that directly. He was drunk. He also had a female logician on his dissertation committee, and seemed concerned with being able to meet her standards.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why are some academic fields still male-dominated? by Nob Akimoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nob Akimoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 07:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is anecdotal, but I seem to recall there being more female job candidates for our faculty recruitment job talks than male ones. Though the male ones weren&#039;t grilled nearly as hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is anecdotal, but I seem to recall there being more female job candidates for our faculty recruitment job talks than male ones. Though the male ones weren&#8217;t grilled nearly as hard.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why are some academic fields still male-dominated? by Rose Woodhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose Woodhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 07:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s something that could be made up for. But it&#039;s certainly possible that girls were less interested, then realized they were behind, and became even less interested. Or are just always less interested in certain things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s something that could be made up for. But it&#8217;s certainly possible that girls were less interested, then realized they were behind, and became even less interested. Or are just always less interested in certain things.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why are some academic fields still male-dominated? by Rose Woodhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose Woodhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 07:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the stats in front of me now, but I&#039;ve cited the study before. Women are almost as likely to show implicit bias against female job candidates, and mothers in particular. Also, I just don&#039;t see why other humanities departments would have been more welcoming.

Yes, I think innate or cultivated difference in interests might be a real possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the stats in front of me now, but I&#8217;ve cited the study before. Women are almost as likely to show implicit bias against female job candidates, and mothers in particular. Also, I just don&#8217;t see why other humanities departments would have been more welcoming.</p>
<p>Yes, I think innate or cultivated difference in interests might be a real possibility.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why are some academic fields still male-dominated? by Murali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 06:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reflexes and coordination are also an issue. Some people have better reflexes and coordination than others. I&#039;m fairly bad on the reflexes department. I tend to be a few hundred milliseconds slower than most of my peers. In the army, I knew guys in basic training who were so uncoordinated that they couldn&#039;t march in time. Just as some people find it harder to lose weight than others (and this is due to genetic factors) some people are bad at other physical things than others. For example I am so uncoordinated that I can&#039;t dribble a ball across the field.

When I was in junior college, I was able to understand mathematical concepts just by skimming the notes. I rarely did my homework and there was often a storybook secreted in between my textbook. Many of my friends who did their homework regularly and actually paid attention in class were not able to do as well as I did on tests.

i.e. there are things that I have done easily with less time and effort and there are things which I have needed more time and effort than my friends. It seems implausible that there is no such thing as innate talent. I only read the abstract of the paper, and it may be that talent may not make a significant difference wen it comes to elite performance, but being a proffessional philosopher is not exactly like becoming a proffessional sportsman. Given that everyone tries their hand at sports (PE anyone?) and few people try their hand at philosophy, professional sportsman represent a real outlier in performance in the field. Whereas professional academics do not really represent outliers so much as those in the upper range of performance. I&#039;m willing to bet that within the normal range of performance, talent matters more than in the really elite stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reflexes and coordination are also an issue. Some people have better reflexes and coordination than others. I&#8217;m fairly bad on the reflexes department. I tend to be a few hundred milliseconds slower than most of my peers. In the army, I knew guys in basic training who were so uncoordinated that they couldn&#8217;t march in time. Just as some people find it harder to lose weight than others (and this is due to genetic factors) some people are bad at other physical things than others. For example I am so uncoordinated that I can&#8217;t dribble a ball across the field.</p>
<p>When I was in junior college, I was able to understand mathematical concepts just by skimming the notes. I rarely did my homework and there was often a storybook secreted in between my textbook. Many of my friends who did their homework regularly and actually paid attention in class were not able to do as well as I did on tests.</p>
<p>i.e. there are things that I have done easily with less time and effort and there are things which I have needed more time and effort than my friends. It seems implausible that there is no such thing as innate talent. I only read the abstract of the paper, and it may be that talent may not make a significant difference wen it comes to elite performance, but being a proffessional philosopher is not exactly like becoming a proffessional sportsman. Given that everyone tries their hand at sports (PE anyone?) and few people try their hand at philosophy, professional sportsman represent a real outlier in performance in the field. Whereas professional academics do not really represent outliers so much as those in the upper range of performance. I&#8217;m willing to bet that within the normal range of performance, talent matters more than in the really elite stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This article made me want to scream by Rebecca Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 06:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, obviously I haven&#039;t explained myself clearly.  My point is, that in spite of having training which you approve of, what makes me a &quot;proper&quot; midwife is knowledge and experience which I have gained throughout my career.  Have you ever been helped out by a nurses aid, technician or nurse who maybe didn&#039;t have the same level of education or formal training you did, but through years on the job know a lot more about dealing with a situation than you did?  I know I have.  I also know it would be incredibly arrogant of me to ignore their help.  I also know that in some situations I would have trusted them to look after patients better than doctors or midwives.  Yet you discount completely one midwife&#039;s knowledge and experience just because she does not have formal training that you can approve of?  Interesting that she has been recognised throughout the world by many organisations that know an awful lot more about obstetrics and midwifery than you do.  Perhaps others can recognise the value of education and training that is not gained in classroom, where you get handed a certificate at the end of it.  I know my midwifery education did not prepare me for the suble, complex, and amazing process that is birth.  What helps me be a good midwife in that situation is the kind of knowledge Ina May has. Many things that have been adopted in midwifery care come from people like Ina May, who read, analyse and work out for themselves a better way of doing things.  I am not offering a carte blanche defense of all midwifery practice in the US - there are probably some midwives there that I would not want looking after me, because I feel that their level of knowledge and experience is not good sufficient, just like there are midwives and doctors I would not want looking after me, because even though they may have the knowledge and education, do not really understand what birth is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, obviously I haven&#8217;t explained myself clearly.  My point is, that in spite of having training which you approve of, what makes me a &#8220;proper&#8221; midwife is knowledge and experience which I have gained throughout my career.  Have you ever been helped out by a nurses aid, technician or nurse who maybe didn&#8217;t have the same level of education or formal training you did, but through years on the job know a lot more about dealing with a situation than you did?  I know I have.  I also know it would be incredibly arrogant of me to ignore their help.  I also know that in some situations I would have trusted them to look after patients better than doctors or midwives.  Yet you discount completely one midwife&#8217;s knowledge and experience just because she does not have formal training that you can approve of?  Interesting that she has been recognised throughout the world by many organisations that know an awful lot more about obstetrics and midwifery than you do.  Perhaps others can recognise the value of education and training that is not gained in classroom, where you get handed a certificate at the end of it.  I know my midwifery education did not prepare me for the suble, complex, and amazing process that is birth.  What helps me be a good midwife in that situation is the kind of knowledge Ina May has. Many things that have been adopted in midwifery care come from people like Ina May, who read, analyse and work out for themselves a better way of doing things.  I am not offering a carte blanche defense of all midwifery practice in the US &#8211; there are probably some midwives there that I would not want looking after me, because I feel that their level of knowledge and experience is not good sufficient, just like there are midwives and doctors I would not want looking after me, because even though they may have the knowledge and education, do not really understand what birth is all about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why are some academic fields still male-dominated? by Nob Akimoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nob Akimoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 04:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much of this might be due to inter-generational gaps? That is, maybe the other humanities subjects were more welcoming to female applicants earlier, and thus they have a higher share of PhD holders teaching the subjects, which lead to more of them mentoring young students during the undergrad process.

You can always see the delay here, for example when you look at political science departments. IIRC women now make up the majority of Poli-Sci MAJORS, but the faculty (particularly tenured) are still held largely by men, with a few notable high profile female exceptions. As the current crop of boomer professors start retiring, I&#039;m betting we&#039;ll start seeing more female department heads and deans, leading to more female professors etc. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised say in 2050 if the majority of high profile poli-sci and policy studies faculty were women.

I think philosophy is also a bit of a sticky wicket, because women who practice philosophy might be more inclined to actually do a gender studies degree or something equivalent, under a different rubric, if only to be able to do studies that are closer to what they actually care about. (And avoid much of the ossification of some philosophy departments.)

As for the &quot;hard&quot; sciences, anyone making those arguments is a joke. In  policy programs about 60-70% of the MPP/MPA graduates are women. And in terms of quantitative reasoning and argumentation, policy economics and modeling is as rigorous (and probably in some cases moreso) than comparable economic fields. It may be, however, that economics vs. policy debates make women more likely to pursue the latter, because of the obsessive overemphasis on market mechanisms to the exclusion of many other causal factors in the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much of this might be due to inter-generational gaps? That is, maybe the other humanities subjects were more welcoming to female applicants earlier, and thus they have a higher share of PhD holders teaching the subjects, which lead to more of them mentoring young students during the undergrad process.</p>
<p>You can always see the delay here, for example when you look at political science departments. IIRC women now make up the majority of Poli-Sci MAJORS, but the faculty (particularly tenured) are still held largely by men, with a few notable high profile female exceptions. As the current crop of boomer professors start retiring, I&#8217;m betting we&#8217;ll start seeing more female department heads and deans, leading to more female professors etc. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised say in 2050 if the majority of high profile poli-sci and policy studies faculty were women.</p>
<p>I think philosophy is also a bit of a sticky wicket, because women who practice philosophy might be more inclined to actually do a gender studies degree or something equivalent, under a different rubric, if only to be able to do studies that are closer to what they actually care about. (And avoid much of the ossification of some philosophy departments.)</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;hard&#8221; sciences, anyone making those arguments is a joke. In  policy programs about 60-70% of the MPP/MPA graduates are women. And in terms of quantitative reasoning and argumentation, policy economics and modeling is as rigorous (and probably in some cases moreso) than comparable economic fields. It may be, however, that economics vs. policy debates make women more likely to pursue the latter, because of the obsessive overemphasis on market mechanisms to the exclusion of many other causal factors in the former.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why male circumcision is (sometimes) morally kosher by Michael Dulin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dulin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 03:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Woodhouse might I suggest that you put yourself in the place of the male infant. Imagine you are restrained, against your will, and a healthy organ is amputated from your healthy body. Would you still be so callus toward the feelings and rights male infants? If the same cutting were to be the fashion for little girl infants would you still feel so indifferent? I AM A VICTIM OF MALE GENITAL MUTILATION. I will live out my enter life having been deprived of an important and functional part of MY body. I am a human being, just like you. Would you let some one alter your body forever, without your consent?  You would better serve  if you were to call out the perpetrators of male genital mutilation, the doctors and moils.  They are the ones who need a lesson in ethics and morality. It is a known psychological fact, the abused 
become the abusers. Where will it all end, Ms. Woodhouse? Where?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Woodhouse might I suggest that you put yourself in the place of the male infant. Imagine you are restrained, against your will, and a healthy organ is amputated from your healthy body. Would you still be so callus toward the feelings and rights male infants? If the same cutting were to be the fashion for little girl infants would you still feel so indifferent? I AM A VICTIM OF MALE GENITAL MUTILATION. I will live out my enter life having been deprived of an important and functional part of MY body. I am a human being, just like you. Would you let some one alter your body forever, without your consent?  You would better serve  if you were to call out the perpetrators of male genital mutilation, the doctors and moils.  They are the ones who need a lesson in ethics and morality. It is a known psychological fact, the abused<br />
become the abusers. Where will it all end, Ms. Woodhouse? Where?</p>
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		<title>Comment on This article made me want to scream by Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 03:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Russell, you really stepped in it with this post, but I thank you. I don&#039;t have reams of statistics or anything, but I&#039;m fairly confident I would be a single father -- or perhaps just a sad would-have-been-but-not-a father if not for modern medical facilities for childbirth.

Our first was delivered naturally but that was after pitocin induction following forty hours of intense labor.  It just wasn&#039;t going anywhere. My wife&#039;s a tough lady.

Our second was going ok and then she started to bleed badly. Ultrasound revealed placental abrupta(?). It&#039;s where the placenta is covering the cervical opening. Without emergency C-section I likely would have lost both of them. 

As it is, thanks to modern medicine, we had two perfectly healthy (9.9 Apgar) girls. Home birth used to be the norm. Lots of dead mothers and babies was the norm too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Russell, you really stepped in it with this post, but I thank you. I don&#8217;t have reams of statistics or anything, but I&#8217;m fairly confident I would be a single father &#8212; or perhaps just a sad would-have-been-but-not-a father if not for modern medical facilities for childbirth.</p>
<p>Our first was delivered naturally but that was after pitocin induction following forty hours of intense labor.  It just wasn&#8217;t going anywhere. My wife&#8217;s a tough lady.</p>
<p>Our second was going ok and then she started to bleed badly. Ultrasound revealed placental abrupta(?). It&#8217;s where the placenta is covering the cervical opening. Without emergency C-section I likely would have lost both of them. </p>
<p>As it is, thanks to modern medicine, we had two perfectly healthy (9.9 Apgar) girls. Home birth used to be the norm. Lots of dead mothers and babies was the norm too.</p>
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