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Bad Moon Rising
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Closing Dystopia Week
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Morning Ed: Politics {2017.01.16.M}
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Hot Air: In California, you can’t publish actors’ ages on IMDB anymore
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Weekend!
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YouTube: Don’t Cry Out Loud (Melissa Manchester)
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The comments...

Troublesome Frog
+ I think that if you're upset at the result the system produced, there are couple of possibilities: 1) You don't think the system is working [. . .]
Chip Daniels
+ For most of our history, fidelity to the norms was synonymous with respect for the system. The opposing party could be counted on to share [. . .]
Troublesome Frog
+ For what it's worth, I think it's unacceptable for any member of Congress to call the President illegitimate or to skip the inauguration. If [. . .]
+ @michael-cain My interpretation of the answers that I got was that Parliament still believes collectively there are some things that are simply not done. [. . .]

An appropriate series for JB, who's been up for 30 hours.

aaron david

There is some good Soviet SF involving this idea @jaybird I will see if I can dig up some more info for you.

Troublesome Frog
+ I'm glad you're certain about that and I hope that Russia feels the same way. Given that there's some evidence that Iraq invaded Kuwait [. . .]
Don Zeko
+ That's my read on it as well. But then I'm not convinced that Citizens United was wrongly decided, so I may not be a liberal [. . .]

Home. Stinky.

Momo ran down the stairs when he heard my voice, mewling the whole time.

I need to take a shower and then pass out.

Aye. Prohibiting the publication of truthful information does not strike me as the least restrictive way to prevent age discrimination.

Morat20
+ The GOP in 2009 was right. Taking something away is entirely different from not giving it to them in the first place. I think that's the [. . .]
Slade the Leveller

If they are our worst enemy, we've got nothing to worry about.

Chip Daniels
+ I agree, and noted that his motivations are irrelevant. However, I think it is highly relevant to note that he is not aligning his policies with [. . .]
Stillwater
+ I think calling him a "puppet" puts the emphasis on the wrong syllable, so to speak. From a policy pov, the substantive worry should be [. . .]
+ Yeah, the whole referring to your daughter as a "princess" things seems just weird to me. Maybe I came from a more bohemian/egalitarian family, I [. . .]
Kolohe
+ Chip Daniels: And the even larger point that I started with, Russia appears to have a very eager and pliable American puppet, which I find [. . .]
Chip Daniels
+ Thats good, so far. But when the man at the top is parroting lines from Putin almost verbatim, I doubt that the opinions from Mattis and [. . .]

"The uninsured rate is up to 50% and people are dying in the streets. Imagine how much worse it would be under Obamacare!"

DensityDuck
+ "Part of what makes Trumps puppet dance alarming is how perfectly his circle of advisors and Cabinet fit with Russian interests." Except for Mattis and Pompeo [. . .]
notme

Ok, a Trump advisor did. So what?

Morat20

I know a few Republicans from his state that have said variations of "never underestimate Pence's ability to chase popularity into catastrophe".

Morat20
+ Kevin Drum asked this weekend why the GOP hates the ACA so much, as it's a very GOP-friendly (ie: Their own solution with some of [. . .]
Chip Daniels
+ "Weening themselves" is doing a lot of work here, since most of the gas to Europe still comes from Russia, and having a client [. . .]
Chip Daniels
+ The teleological endpoint is where The Intercept meets Brietbart, where "What if the KGB orchestrated a coup and the puppet government rounded up Americans into [. . .]
Kolohe
+ Chip Daniels: The European nations are vulnerable to Russian pressure on economic matters, such as gas and oil supplies, naval routes to warm water ports [. . .]
Chip Daniels
+ While I still have some faint hope that there are some GOP foreign policy hawks, the massive man-love shown to Putin by the right wing, [. . .]
Kolohe
+ Chip Daniels: The whole point of NATO has been to make Russia uncertain about aggression even against non-NATO states This is simply ridiculous, in that that [. . .]
Kazzy

"Who is claiming that it was a mandate? I’m not."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/13/donald-trump-campaign-says-it-has-a-mandate/

Kazzy

Bruh... I'm not even involved in the argument. I'm just offering an alternative to nihilism to justify your silliness.

Kazzy
+ Something important to remember is that a major draw for young children to princesses is a developmental curiosity and exploration of power. This is [. . .]

Seems to me they would be able to accomplish these objectives perfectly well under President Mike Pence.

Brent F
+ A big thing NATO has had in its favour since the mid 80s or so is that the balance of power is such that the [. . .]
+ Well, no, that wasn't what @doctor-jay and @saul-degraw were discussing at all. They were discussing Trump's low approval rating upon taking office. They were contrasting [. . .]
+ Okay, so what's the teleological endpoint of that argument? I see two options: 1. It's perfectly okay for one country to attempt to influence the results [. . .]
El Muneco
+ There's a fun AH short story where it turns out Bill Clinton really was turned by the Soviets back in the 70s and has been [. . .]
Brent F
+ That's fair. I don't hold to the Indelibly Racist White theory as the driver of electoral results. Not that I don't think there is a measureable [. . .]

We do have some common ground there. This won't help the internal politics of countries that Putin would have as client states.

Chip Daniels
+ There's more to the American alliance with the European nations than NATO though. And Russian has always had more interests than merely capturing land. The European nations [. . .]
+ I think Putin wants to expand. Not sure how far. I don't know how much of a deterrent NATO really is, though, under any president. [. . .]
LeeEsq
+ The latter, this can range from having parents refer to their daughters as princesses to the entire Disney business model and associated products. A lot [. . .]
Chip Daniels
+ The whole point of NATO has been to make Russia uncertain about aggression even against non-NATO states, on the grounds that any European aggression would [. . .]
notme
+ First, I'm fairly sure that the Obama admin has already expressed this privately with no result. Second I'm fairly sure the Trump admin would [. . .]
DensityDuck

That is basically Nancy Kress's "Beggars" series.

+ And in a reminder that there are politics outside the US and Russia, Theresa May will reportedly announce on Tuesday that Britain will leave the [. . .]
+ As a practical matter, if Russia invaded Estonia, what would President Obama do? Or Hillary? I think Trump's comments are bad multiple ways*, but it [. . .]
Morat20
+ I find it deeply ironic that the GOP might finally get that impeachment they've been dreaming of since Nixon, and it's another Republican. I also find [. . .]
Morat20
+ I would imagine the latter. I'm not really sure how much of the former you see in America. Even in TV, the "real or perceived lives [. . .]
Chip Daniels
+ If Russia decided tomorrow to annex Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, can anyone here say with assurance which side Trump would pick? I would say with a [. . .]