State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

The Virginia Ultrasound Bill and the Moniker of Rape
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Tuesday Blognado: The taxing question of … tax
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Parenting by Class
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These Things I Assume To Be True
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A reason to love SOPA
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The comments...

Kimmi
+ In a more rational world, concepts like these come up before you have sex with someone. And with the understanding that "should things change, you're [. . .]
Will H.
+ I remember hearing some doctors talking about that on the radio at the time. One of them was explaining that Viagra is a "lifestyle [. . .]
Will H.
+ I am sorry you were wronged. I think it's important that you understand that the wrong came before this event; the event itself was only an [. . .]
James Hanley
+ Will, if you think offering  value-for-value is coercion just because it fits into your own idiosyncratic definition, then bully for you.  The only problem is [. . .]
Kimmi
+ wasn't referencing doctors. WAS referencing actual cases of abuse/rape/etc. You can either deal with actual cases on an emotional issue, or you can accuse me of [. . .]
kenB
+ Mr. Hanley, here's my two cents: you pleaded your case a while back and the blog owners and FPers declined your petition.  At this point you're just being [. . .]
Roger
+ Great summary, James I would add that the other issue on the Laffer curve is that the optimal short term rate for revenue maximization may [. . .]
Will H.
+ That's nice. See immediately above referencing emotional appeals. For the record, confinement is physical force. But I don't think the doctor is supposed to be feeling up his [. . .]
Will H.
+ Are you sure that there was consent? If there was, are you sure that you understand why that consent was given? Loaded language is nothing more than [. . .]
Will H.
+ That is coercion. Basically stated, any external force applied by the will of another directed toward engaging a desired effect on the internal will. Just because you [. . .]
+ Only thing is is that in the 70s you had stagflation. I'm unwilling to attribute too much of the compression to the policies of the [. . .]
Kimmi
+ This has got to be the oddest definition of rape that I've heard. A woman forcibly confined and felt up, until she's physically ready -- that's [. . .]
Kolohe
+ Great post.  The other factor at work in the US that imo provides a nuance that isn't included enough when discussing these things is that [. . .]
James Hanley
+ so I offer you twelve and you take it Your argument is based on an odd interpretation of the word "coercion." If you offer me $10 and [. . .]
+ Excellent post, Pat! One thing:: I don’t even use a mop, I do it the old fashioned way, hands and knees and scrub until it’s actually really [. . .]
sonmi451
+ Heh. My personal pet peeve is Jonny with no H. And Thom with an H. What's wrong with plain old Tom? Hmm, I'm laughing at a [. . .]
+ I know why Johhny lives under a bridge: Its because his parents are the type of people who would call their son Johhny with two "h"s, [. . .]
James Hanley

I’ve invested 100+ comments worth in this, and now I refuse to be around people who think the rules of civility don’t apply to them

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James Hanley
+ Pat, Van Dyke said of JustJohn; "You don’t think informed consent is a moral necessity.." But of course that's not what JustJohn said.  What Van Dyke could [. . .]
Kimmi
+ Yarly. Yes, we have problems. Big fucking problems. Republicans make this the campaign issue, because Santorum ain't got nothin else. He was a shitty ass corrupt [. . .]
+ How many people these days go straight from living with their parents to living with a spouse? I'd be willing to bet it's less than [. . .]
+ The poor spend everything because they don’t know any better. That depends how poor you mean, if someones income exactly equals their essential* living costs they'd [. . .]
Will H.
+ It means that all coercive efforts that are successful in nature end in consent. If I offer you ten bucks an hour to go to work [. . .]
Will H.
+ Not at all. This is another form of false equivalence. And I see those on the Left make use of this quite often. The equivalence is that the [. . .]
Will H.
+ I don't know what they do to the image, but it would seem to me, as a layman, that a preliminary examination would be prudent. I [. . .]

Thanks again for the blog article.Thanks Again. Awesome.

+ Not true, JJohn.  If I were king, I wouldn't ban abortion from the moment of conception, at least not today, and perhaps never.  Needless to [. . .]
choice
+ I am like some others who would want to have more information to decide whether or not the mother was essentially facilitating rape.  If the [. . .]

Your money or your life, Mr. Carter

 

You gave me your money!  Clearly, you consented to it, and therefore my act is not theft.

sonmi451
+ Understood. I was probably interpreting you very uncharitably, apologies for that. My own view is colored by the regular experience of reading the writings of men [. . .]
sonmi451
+ In his defense, I think he was just trying to make fun of liberals and score political points. That's very despicable, of course, considering the gravity [. . .]
Just John
+ I must disagree, and I don't see how consumption could be a more accurate gauge for taxation than declared income if "the rich don't spend, [. . .]
Brandon Berg
+ Did she really forget all the important stuff about ethics and morals and asserting yourself when dealing with authority and putting off immediate rewards, etc [. . .]
Stillwater
+ Well, it couldn't be done JB. You know that. Libertarians ought to be are fundamentally opposed to this type of policy. But as Dan Miller [. . .]
Just John
+ TVD, you don't seem to see much a continuum in the morality of abortion, just a black and white belief that it's always wrong. And we [. . .]
+ I'd be interested in seeing a post by any self-styled Libertarian explaining how this law is a good law, actually. Heck, I'd like to read [. . .]
+ I didn't say here. But you'd think this would be a jaw-dropping law for almost everyone, even here. But there are people in the comments looking [. . .]
+ FWIW, I don't know that I agree that I feel that the left has overreacted.  I was pretty clear (I thought) about my opinion of [. . .]
Patrick Cahalan
+ Hey, you stomped on my neck a little hard, but it's not like your anger was totally unjustified.  I was totally wrong and stuck my [. . .]
+ Which self-proclaimed libertarians around here support Rand Paul's abortion policy preferences? Which self-proclaimed libertarians here support the Virginia law, or are even on the fence [. . .]
+ It never stops being incredible the way some self-proclaimed libertarians can see the light of government intervention so long as its being visited against women. [. . .]
Patrick Cahalan

There's a post around here somewhere that's all about coercion...

Good point. The priests weren't raping those kids after all. They'd consented after being told that they were going to hell.

sonmi451
+ I don't see people lining up to support the law, but the fact that some people seems more concerned about what they perceive as the overreaction [. . .]
Patrick Cahalan
+ You write pretty well, iff'n I say so.  Clarifications are something I find myself writing *all the time* :) Stick around, comment more.  We'd be glad [. . .]
+ Mr. Still, there are people who inject themselves into the discussions here whom I want nothing to do with.  If you wish to ally yourself [. . .]
Zelma1900
+ I don't comment much on the internets although I read widely.  One reason is that I often look at what I have written afterwards and [. . .]
 
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