State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

Affirmative Action and Philosophy vs. Reality
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Neo-Liberalism Again
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California Legislature Proposes Racial Discrimination in University Admissions Policy
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The comments...

+ I think you're not understanding the definition of the word "libertarian" as joey is using it. I think you're thinking of libertarian as, like, [. . .]

Maybe they're all in it together. Like a conspiracy or something.

Patrick Cahalan
+ What if other libertarians would say, "Jesus, you must be crazy, Tim's no libertarian" Perhaps this might be an indicator that you don't understand libertarianism... more [. . .]
+ wardsmith - I don't believe that it eliminates discrimination, no. But I think those that advocate for it due it with the intent of [. . .]
Patrick Cahalan

> The Eurostate model is only decades
> old and it’s far from self-evident
> they’re sustainable.

I'm going with, "Signs Point to 'No'," myself.

Tom Van Dyke
+ You're into No True Scotsman territory here. Regardless, drivebys in praise of the self-evident superiority of the Eurostate ain't gonna get it done. [. . .]
Jesse Ewiak
+ Not really. Greece's number one problem isn't it's spending, it's the way they set up their spending, their lack of ability to actually collect taxes, [. . .]
Patrick Cahalan
+ > So academic performance doesn’t have > definable characteristics, then? It can. How well those definable characteristics map to your proxy measurement are a different [. . .]
DensityDuck
+ "Discrimination is pervasive, and pernicious, and the only way to counteract it in some cases is, unfortunately, discrimination." Thank you for admitting that reverse discrimination exists. Although [. . .]
wardsmith
+ Tod, do you REALLY believe AA eliminates racial discrimination? Echoing Pat's comment above, do you know the mathematical concept of a discriminant? The discriminant gives information [. . .]
DensityDuck
+ So academic performance doesn't have definable characteristics, then? The SAT is meaningless? (spare me the cynical nattering about test quality; the question is [. . .]
wardsmith

There are 10 kind of people in the world.

Those who can do binary and those who can't.

Tom Van Dyke
+ Facile, Mr. Ewiak. Those Nordic paradises would be under the Axis or Soviet jackboot right about now except for you-know-who. And Greece 2012 is as [. . .]
Tom Van Dyke
+ Well, it may be unworkable, but it has the consent of the governed. A workable system without consent ain't gonna work either. This is why [. . .]
Jesse Ewiak

Yup, I've noticed the riots in Copenhagen. And the lack of rich people in Sweden.

+ This is the problem when there are strict limits placed on government power, and it's the problem with democracy. Social democracy is a recipe for [. . .]
+ Then I don't see how even a partially free market can survive in this set-up, because the majority can decide what is a collective good, [. . .]
Tom Van Dyke
+ But can government control food production, energy, housing and clothing as a collective good in your duplex set-up if the majority wants to do [. . .]
+ "We are a constitutional democratic-Republic with various degrees of representative democracy." But can government control food production, energy, housing and clothing as a collective good in [. . .]
+ Plus to say it's decided by democracy is indeed saying it's decided by majority rule, otherwise, you would say it's decided by the limited powers [. . .]
E.D. Kain
+ We are a constitutional democratic-Republic with various degrees of representative democracy. I think we should stick to that, maybe modify it a bit here and there, [. . .]
Jakecollins

Shorter tk: "the state can't make me mix with the coloreds!"

Jesse Ewiak

I think we have adhered to the limited Constitutional republic for the most part.

+ I'm not being simplistic -- words have meanings, and I'm trying to determine what you mean. If you don't want to clarify, fine, but don't [. . .]
Mike Schilling
+ Given enough generations, you can approach one third by having one black grandfather plus one black great-great-grandfather plus one black great-great-great-great-grandfather plus one black great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather [. . .]
+ "Mike – we live in a democracy, and all that stuff is decided by society through the crappy democratic process." We actually live in a constitutional [. . .]
Patrick Cahalan

Yeah, root skills matter more at college level than the pros.

This is a classic example.

E.D. Kain

Quit being simplistic. You should realize by now that democracy in practice is not simply rule of the majority. At least not in America.

As part of the majority, which side would you prefer they be on, the collective side or subject to a free market?

By the way, we've missed you, but your daughter Kim has kept us from missing you too much.

Patrick Cahalan
+ Generally speaking, programming and developing are two different things. If you want a junior programmer, "write me a sort" is going to get you a result. [. . .]
+ Really? It's decided by majority rule, and that's better than any alternative, especially libertarianism? I'm just trying to get a clear view of where you're [. . .]
Dan

how many public schools have legacy admissions? my impression is that only private schools. the Fourteenth Amendment only prohibits discrimination by governments not private institutions.

"Someone called Tim a racist (I’m not sure why)"

Because calling people racist is so easy.

+ In Brazil, where people come in every skin tone imaginable, they find American racism amusing. I'm sure they do, and racism towards Afro-Brazilians is not a [. . .]
+ Someone called Tim a racist (I'm not sure why), but I hinted that someone (look, he's right up there) was a racist for suggesting that [. . .]
+ BBerg, do you mean affirmative action in general? If so,can't we just look at the difference in both equality and race relations from, say, [. . .]
+ Tim, if you look at the data, you will quickly find that race is a statistically significant factor in school performance and admittance, even when [. . .]
Patrick Cahalan

Hey, welcome back, Mr. Blaise. You've been missed in these parts.

+ Jesse, Probably true in many instances, but I still don't see why race should be a factor. For example, if a kid grew up [. . .]
Patrick Cahalan
+ This is an objection that has some merit. Certain things are not easily subject to direct observation. One could build a nice little composite metric for measuring [. . .]
Mike Schilling

tercerón, one third

How does that work?

Jesse Ewiak

That type of circle is the exact type to try to date Asian girls, though.

joey jo jo shabadoo jr.

self consideration aside, if it says "IGMFU" like a libertarian, its prolly a libertarian.