State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

Comment Deletion, Comment Policy, etc.
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Fiction’s Ethos
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Why All Those Sites Are Dark Today
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Sullivan, Obama, and Elections
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A Missed Opportunity
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The comments...

+ The pile-on is fully my responsibility, as I made the first comment and made it about him.  I stand by my words, but any blame [. . .]
Tom Van Dyke

Cheers, Mr. Stillwater.  Our past discussions have been very rewarding and I hope they can continue.

+ This sort of touches on a hobby-horse of mine, which is "cultural perfectionism." Namely, the assertion by some bibliophiles that reading is always and ever-better [. . .]
Tom Van Dyke
+ Erik, an email to all the contributors would have sufficed, then.  And yr OP did result in one contributor [me] taking more of the same [. . .]

If he didn't have a particularly good argument, he probably would have stayed in his old job.

Speaking for me only.

Tangentially, one of the things I loved about Devil's Advocate is that it gave The Devil a stellar argument.

 

DensityDuck
+ The problem with essays like this one is that when the essayist says "fiction", I always get the sense that they're thinking more about Don [. . .]
+ I agree. I do think, though, that we can acknowledge the unfairness with the unavoidability. And (this is what I was driving at) even if [. . .]
+ Tom, Once again, I wrote this post directed to the group entire. I wrote this response to you to show that it was not directed solely [. . .]
+ And when the sixth seal was opened, you get a car. And you get a car. And you get a car. And you get a [. . .]
+ I'll take the bait. Note the words and tone here.  "this...charade."  "the usual handful of persons."  "character assassination." "cheap trick." "pissing contest." Note the extensive use of [. . .]
Stillwater
+ TVD, I want to apologize for being part of the 'pile on'. You undoubtedly read what I wrote, and know my particular grievance, and it [. . .]
+ Will - you ask whether this is fair to newer people. I think the point really is that there is No Other Way. This is [. . .]
Tom Van Dyke
+ Yes, I got the message, Erik, acknowledged infra, above.  A private email would have sufficed instead of...this.  There is no effective defense against character assassination.  You [. . .]
+ If memory serves, one of the things about the Anti-Christ is how popular he is rather than how everybody hates him. It was the Christians [. . .]
+ David, please point to one single other interaction [I had] with Mike. Find just one single one where our interaction was anything at all like [. . .]

We let comments stand 99 times out of 100.

This is in fact much closer to 999 out of 1000.

Kim
+ Ya, I try to flame about things, and not about *who you are*. This little blue angel wasn't bothered by Mike's rantings, because they seemed... so [. . .]
+ Oh, I have no doubt it's the Truth.  My only reason for pretending to like you is the hope that when your Evil Kingdom is [. . .]
DensityDuck
+ I think that sounds good to me. I will say that while rudeness may be in the eye of the beholder, it's certainly true that someone [. . .]
+ It's hard to truly discern David's motives because we don't know him. He could actually be Mike. He could be a long-time lurker who reads [. . .]
David
+ Mr. Kain, I do not have deep, personal knowledge of anything. I know only what I have read on this site, and as I have [. . .]
+ Tom - I was frankly surprised and quite bothered to hear that authors were deleting comments. Back in the day this was absolutely off limits. No [. . .]
BlaiseP
+ I'm not so sure about that.   SOPA wanted the right to poison DNS entries.   Hope I'm not telling you something you know already, forgive me [. . .]
+ What I've always admired about you, ED, is your ability to bring fringe people of all beliefs, backgrounds and creeds into believing you are the [. . .]
Kim
+ still waiting for your response to my commentary on the bluray spec. Did I make such a good point that you decided not to say [. . .]
Scott Fields
+ It certainly appears to me that he is making the judgement that X set of policies on the one hand out weigh Y set [. . .]
BlaiseP
+ I grew up in a home where the contents of the offering plate bought the food in the fridge.   Genteel poverty is how I'd describe [. . .]

Subhuman seems to be a favorite.

Maybe I can be a thuggish, subhuman, malice-filled fascist monster next.

 

Tom Van Dyke
+ Well, it was Pile on TVD Day, Erik, from the usual handful of persons.  I am put in a lose-lose situation responding to them as John [. . .]
+ Even in spite of my horrible malice and deep attachment to fascism?  Even with my thuggish behavior and sputtering and shouting? That is very kind [. . .]
+ I was just about to make these same points.  FWIW, his third comment in that thread was no better: I bet you skin puppies alive [. . .]
Nob Akimoto
+ I will if you ever write a book about the federal reserve and then send me an email every time Ron Paul mentions it in [. . .]
Kim
+ ... actually met people who surfed p0rn sites for work. they "needed models." It would be hard to find a non-academic job where you would [. . .]

That's just my wife posing as a student.  If you really want to get a rise out of me, call me a Paultard.  *grin*

+ Personally speaking, I think having you standing aside and asking these kinds of questions is a good thing Still.  Especially times like yesterday, when things [. . .]
Kim
+ ... he may live in Australia, where (writing for) Encyclopedia Dramatica is enough to get you banned from the country. Freedom of speech is SUCH a [. . .]
+ Kim: It's the "directed at other commenters" part of the issue that was the problem.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but even where you've flamed [. . .]
DensityDuck

Unless Wikipedia is on a server hosted outside the USA, there's nothing that SOPA would have done to it.

+ After reading Will's examples I'm even more pleased with the decision to ban. He got angry and he said truly inappropriate things to people. Lots [. . .]
DensityDuck

Although you could still read Wikipedia through the l33t hax0r move of turning off "Active Scripting", so it wasn't really all that bad.

Stillwater

EDK, chalk it up to misguided navel gazing. For my part, I'm perfectly happy with how the League is rocking along.

Kim
+ Mike seemed angry. I get angry too, though my anger is less frequently directed at other commenters. (think I flamed someone about rape a while [. . .]
 
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