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The posts in play...

making things up, public education edition
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Diplomacy
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Anonymity
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Interns Galore!
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a reading list for fantasy enthusiasts
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bad analogies
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ethnic nationalism inevitably breeds hate
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the art of magic in fiction
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Nationalism as Prerequisite for Pluralism
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comments
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excellent well, you are a fishmonger
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Honest to god,
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The comments...

Joseph FM

Nance,

Off topic, but it's nice to see a fellow Leaguer from Florida. Where do you live?

Michael Drew
+ Nothing I wrote was directed at you, Mike. Th I/P thing was something of a riff on things that had been happening here earlier. [. . .]
+ LBJ's programs eventually led to more poverty. The welfare state is the worst thing that's happened to poor people in this country. We just can't [. . .]
Joseph FM
+ Many people on the Right are deeply invested in the idea that the United States of America is perfect - well perfect except that people [. . .]
+ grekinak, I don't think the conservatives are that hep on free markets and competition, not in a sans-corporate welfare, libertarian sense which I'm invoking. Why [. . .]
Bob
+ I fail to see how giving your full name makes your transparency less meaningful. You could say failing to give your phone number, email, [. . .]
Bob
+ The only time it might be okay to out a bloger is a situation where he is being a hypocrite. As in outing [. . .]
greginak
+ Mike- I recognize competition and the free market are the conservative miracle cure for everything, but many people don't actually think they always fix every [. . .]
Nance Confer
+ This sounds promising. Better than "test 'em 'til they drop." What it actually becomes in the real world is a big question. And agreeing about what [. . .]
Nance Confer

"you should be for realistic efforts to improve it, "

Such as?

Nance

+ Also, there is something strange about the claim that proponents for choice are undermining public schools by offering a solution to the problems-- using this [. . .]
+ Micahel, I'm not sure who this is directed toward, but I have no reason to overstate the failures of public education, nor do I know any [. . .]
Michael Drew
+ Bottom line unless you are for abolishing public education, you should be for realistic efforts to improve it, which shouldn't involve overstating its failures. [. . .]
+ By "outcomes" I mean the achievement of the goals of education. I think public education fails at its worst in poverty stricken areas because of [. . .]
Michael Drew
+ Don't kid yourself. If you comment elsewhere under your real name on matters related to what you comment on anonymously here, you are misleading [. . .]
Rob
+ Ultimately what a President says to other nations and people is irrelevant as long as it secures the USA's interest. How best to do [. . .]
Nance Confer

How so?

What do you mean by "outcomes?"

Test scores? Which schools/neighborhoods have the lower test scores?

Some other measure?

Nance

To Nance's point -- what I proposed above would be most helpful in poverty stricken areas.

Nance Confer

Here's a link to a group in FL that discusses these issues: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FCARFORUM/

Nance

+ Then it seems like a standardized sytem to measure outcomes could be an essential part of a widespread voucher program. An accreditation board similar to [. . .]
Nance Confer
+ Even if we can eliminate the FCAT and other states' NCLB tests, even if we can adequately fund ps instead of loving us some tax [. . .]
Joseph FM

Uh, whoever's in charge of it, please delete my first comment. I messed up the HTML. Thanks.

Joseph FM
+ Man, I really could have used this last summer, when I was the DC intern, haha. (With the Foreign Service Journal, if you're curious.) Thankfully, I [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Outing someone who has gone out of his or her way to say "look, I'm anonymous because I don't want to get dinged IRL for [. . .]
greginak
+ uhhh, yeah, like facts matter. Amongst the stupid things critics of public education say is how they point to other countries where kids do better then [. . .]
Joseph FM
+ Precisely. I am not opposed to vouchers. I just think that any school that takes them ought to be required to use the exact same [. . .]
greginak
+ This was childish reaction by a buy , ed, who was pissed at having his crappy logic and questionable knowledge pointed out. It really doesn't [. . .]
+ Interesting topic. I also omit my last name, primarily because I came to blogging from the chatboards and I saw some horrible instances of internet [. . .]
+ Murali - Zeke's right, I did go to some length describing the sort of fantasy I really, really dislike - and Wheel of Time is [. . .]
Zeke
+ What about C.S. Friedman's Coldfire trilogy? It has a fascinating blend of horror and fantasy, and Gerald Terrant is a generally excellent character, who manages [. . .]
+ When an individual uses the verbiage of "Concentration Camp" to describe Gaza and "Nazism" to describe Zionism, the reaction to those words is to [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Ahem. "You people who live in luxury who oppose the settlements are all hypocrites. Unless you're out there standing in front of the Israeli bulldozers like [. . .]
matoko_chan
+ I hold Israel to higher standards because it is a robust, practicing liberal democracy with a history of protection of minorities and a [. . .]
a

Jo Walton's "The King's Peace" is a good Arthurian book.

+ What about Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time? Stephen Donaldson's 1st 2nd and last chronicles of thomas covenant. Terry pratchett's discworld Terry Brook's Shannara series TDeavid Edding's Belgariad, Mallorean, Elenium [. . .]
+ Bob, I did okay on those papers! It's interesting how prior to WWII you had all kinds of ethnic enclaves around the country and people thought [. . .]
a
+ Egalitarianism is the lifeblood of democracy. Trying to have a democratic state without equal recognition of all people, regardless of creed or color or caste, [. . .]
+ I use the email feature with heavily trafficked blogs where it's harder to get back and check the post for follow-ups. It can be annoying [. . .]
+ [...] Freddie: But neither do I join with those who think that this is just an irrelevant gotcha, or who think, as some of Gawker’s [. . .]
Caltha palustris

EDK,

Methinks William Safire would agree.

+ Sorry to get all po-mo on you, but how about imagination as a prerequisite for pluralism? This vision conceives of the state as being constructed [. . .]
richard
+ fred reread your post. you say she is being rejected because she is hispanic. i don't know what blogs you are reading about this unless [. . .]
+ [...] Items for 6/5/2009 By tew, 6/6/2009 a reading list for fantasy enthusiasts [ordinary-gentlemen.com] So in the comments to this post, I [. . .]
Bob
+ "I’m not sure this point is completely relevant but in college I claimed in a lot of history papers that WWI and WWII were crucial [. . .]
Cascadian
+ Great link E.D. I don't think the US is doing particularly well, is particularly unified, or is functioning politically. Of course, I think [. . .]
+ Richard I'm not saying that they reject her because she's Hispanic. I'm saying that they are assuming she is the recipient of preferential treatment and [. . .]
 
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