State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

Should Democrats pass the healthcare reform bill?
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An unsettled dogma
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Paul Ryan Week Continues
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Prince Charles, Crunchy Conservative
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Homer “The Iliad” (1 of 2)
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The comments...

Koz
+ ....either the principled (mostly abortion based) or unprincipled (idiotic re-election jitters and cowardice based).... What part of the reelection jitters are idiotic? Or did you [. . .]
Koz
+ Of course I am. Unfortunately, there are certain people irritate the Left so much that they seem to paralyze liberals' ability to evaluate them as anything [. . .]
Bob Cheeks
+ Well, my acute political observer friend, I fear you're right. Not until they mostly all loose their jobs, or they're hungry, or being driven from [. . .]
Koz
+ There's a certain strain of the Left (Digby, Billmon, Amanda Marcotte etc.) who have elevated pissyness to an art form. To be fair, Ezra [. . .]
North

Palin, Koz? Seriously? Palin?

North
+ Well if the Vaux-populi feel that strongly then good for them. Heck it'd be nice to have proof that they were even paying attention. Considering, [. . .]
North
+ Well sure Jay, but if the Dems thought as you did the thing wouldn't have been proposed in the first place. Goodness knows they could [. . .]
Bob Cheeks

Should the commie-dems ram this exercise in statist hubris through, one hopes cars are burning in the capitol by nightfall, with millions moving toward Washington.

North

Uh, Scott, do you even know what reconciliation is or what it does or how it’s done?

North
+ I suggest you read my post again. The votes aren't there at the moment but the dissident democrats are primarily on the right, not the [. . .]
Scott
+ E.D. Regarding your P.S. that, "health care is the budget" is an excuse for those that would use reconciliation when and where ever it becomes [. . .]
Jaybird
+ I'm just asking you to use a different argument than yelling "GODWIN!" at the top of your lungs. Mock the ever-living crap out of them. Hell, [. . .]
Koz
+ "Simply saying “we’re for the citizens” doesn’t make it so. The Left says similar such things while advocating for their policies as well." I probably should [. . .]
ThatPirateGuy
+ So were we supposed to take seriously the people who held up signs of bush with Hitler mustaches? Are they our go to guys on [. . .]
Scott
+ I suggest you contact Nancy and offer your services to crack the whip on those liberal members. She has publicly stated that the votes are [. . .]
Koz
+ "And, of course, when someone on the Right actually puts forward a credible limited government proposal, the Right’s leaders – the ones who actually matter [. . .]
Jaybird
+ If you don't like any of the other states, there's always Somalia! Now shut up and help us pass health care reform nationally. It's shameful that [. . .]
Jaybird
+ No, not just them. Stalin came up with a wonderful category of "enemies of the state" called "Wreckers". Wrecking was an amazing portmanteau. If a train [. . .]
Jaybird
+ In my yute, I would have been a big fan of "the worse, the better!" and hoped for a statist takeover of the health care [. . .]
greginak

perhaps then the cries of "Stalin" are better aimed at current Russian's.

+ Wait did you really just say that if I don't like nanny-state liberalism, I should just move to another state? I don't know whether [. . .]
Jaybird
+ I *WISH* that Iosif Vissarionovich Dzughashvili's name carried the same moral weight as Adolf Hitler's. I wish that, immediately, people would feel the same revulsion [. . .]
zic

maybe it's the 'more pain, more gain' method of legislating.

I can't really figure any other way of looking at it.

North

I am love/hate with Nordlinger but I do love Derb in that "Oh Grandpa" way.

North

Well the goal is within reach, you'd think the party would behave like it was.

North
+ The liberal canard is nonsense. The liberal defections can likely be whipped back into voting yea and may well fall into line on their own [. . .]
Scott
+ You failed to mention that the House apparently lacks the votes to pass the Senate version of the bill as it is not liberal enough [. . .]
zic
+ Yes. A few weeks of hammering home what's in a bill -- not multiple bills -- first. There's been so much misinformation, some real information that [. . .]
Jaybird

And Derb. Can't forget Derb.

Jaybird
+ They strike me as a bunch of people who believe progressives are bad because they want to tell you how to live your lives like [. . .]
greginak
+ That’s fine Jay, but most uses of “Hitler” are meant either as petty insults or some gigantic slippery slope fallacy. I would prefer that discussion [. . .]
North

From your lips to my agnostic God(ess?)'s ear.

North
+ It's a good screed Jay. I like it. But I have also read Goldbergs book. It really is a book length Goodwin designed primarily to [. . .]
North
+ I'm glad you picked up on this post E.D. but I think you have missed or left off the most important point that Bernstein makes: [. . .]
North
+ Scott, you are misinformed informed about the Senate rules. The HCR bill, in case you missed it, has already been passed by the senate by [. . .]
Bob Cheeks
+ You might enjoy Stefan Rossbach's classic study of the Cold War in the context of Western Spirituality, The Gnostic Wars. It's cleverly reviewed here: http://www.voegelinview.com/gnostic-wars-review.html As [. . .]
Scott
+ E.D. I thought reconciliation was a procedure for budget bills, which the HCR is not. Clearly now the ends justify the means if the Dems [. . .]
Jaybird

That’s sort of like

Don't leave me hanging, bro.

+ I don't find articles that argue for a more powerful government (even while claiming to be promoting limited government, no less!) very persuasive. Simply [. . .]
Jaybird

I'm trying (honestly!) to cut down on repeating myself.

http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/08/glenn-greenwald-2/

There. (If pressed, I'd be thrilled to start repeating myself again, though!)

Jaybird
+ My take is that we see all of it in such agencies as the HSA and TSA. This promise of national security in exchange for something [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Disclaimer: The following ought not be considered a defense of Jonah Goldberg's book as I have not read it. The attitude towards "Hitler" (as opposed to [. . .]
Koz

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/fpri/ideological.html

http://www.mije.org/gop-senators-want-census-funds-cut-if-citizenship-isnt-asked

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YTY1YmZlYzFiYzZmMWIyZjU1NTllNTViZDdkMDQxNTc=

That's a good enough to start.

zic
+ Art Deco, I'll give you a direct example of what I mean, funded from my pocket. We have an angel investment in a company that [. . .]
+ Yeah, Voegelin is pretty impressive. I considered discussing political gnosticism in my dissertation, having read his book on the topic, and my profs basically told [. . .]
Steve
+ So ... where do statist conservatives fall in this paradigm? Unless I'm missing something a problem w/ Mr Goldberg's comments is that he assumes [. . .]
Jaybird

But, yes, I ought to have left "wear a rubber" off the list.

 
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