State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

Kulturkampf
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response to Conor
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Bachelor Party Bleg
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Kindle-phobia
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Democracy Doesn’t Do Nuance: Why the Dems Lost Control of the Debate
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we need education reform
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a broken system ctd.
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keep it simple, stupid
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The comments...

nickzi
+ As a scholar of Classical warfare, Hanson was solid, if not especially original. As a political commentator he is simply a very generic Little American [. . .]
+ Apparently the executives of these big corporations should just ask people like Conor and me who we don't like and based on that they should [. . .]
+ First off, I totally agree with other commenters on the use of strip clubs. If someone really really has to see nekkid wimmins, he can [. . .]

So the "editors" of CNN should ban everyone that Conor thinks is intellectually dishonest?

EngineerScotty

They're called editors, E.D. It's a time-honored profession in the field of journalism.

St.John McCloskey
+ hahaha, that's rich! I love Project Gutenberg, but if I'm going to pay for a book i want to be able to hold it in my [. . .]
EngineerScotty
+ In that case, see my final paragraph above. While I won't call for a "ban"; having Matthews interview Limbaugh, or Limbaugh interview Olberman, or [. . .]
PD Shaw
+ I find the whole discussion creepy, but I'm confused about what is being proposed. I assume that news-entertainment industry is making money doing whatever it's doing. [. . .]
nickzi
+ Well, I don't think one poll, with fairly limited findings, should be taken with too much seriousness. When one considers the steady drumbeat of lies, [. . .]
+ As someone who's seen a fair amount of Lou Dobbs Tonight, it's fair to say he's opinionated and almost entirely focused on a particular set [. . .]
Ian
+ The woman with the bad kidney, certain she will be euthanized by Obama's reform, is a reminder that intentionally and cynically exploiting people's fears to [. . .]
+ And so who do we propose to be the judge and jury over the lines to not cross? My argument is not that "no [. . .]
+ [...] E.D. Kain posts: First off, I could care less whether or not a talk-radio pundit is intellectually dishonest.  I don’t think that disqualifies them [. . .]
lens
+ I'd just like to point out one sentence of your essay that immediately jumped out at me: "Misinformation will accompany us wherever we go."This seems [. . .]
St.John McCloskey
+ That's a very good point! but in this situation, we're talking about implementing a plan to give more people coverage. That will, in all likelihood [. . .]
+ "Banning is simply not practical or ethical, however shallow, loud, or obnoxious we find these shows and their guests." There's something very paternal about bans. In [. . .]

This is in regards to banning guests from shows.

Jaybird
+ Zombies!!!! and Last Night on Earth are really good too... but it's a bachelor party. Save the zombies until after the marriage - when they [. . .]
EngineerScotty
+ A question comes to mind: Are we discussing banning (boycotting, whatever) guys like Rush and Hannity from appearing as hosts, or excluding them from guest spots [. . .]
greginak
+ There was money is the bills for increasing funding for comparative effectiveness research so we would know what treatments worked well. The republicans fought it [. . .]
Jaybird
+ For my part, I fully support their right to say "this is beyond the pale" and kick whomever off the air. Looking at the pundits to [. . .]
+ Absolutely. This is largely about taste, too, and we shouldn't start advocating others to ban what we find distasteful when we're perfectly empowered simply [. . .]

Also wouldn't it be just a tad hypocritical to ban Limbaugh but pay Dobbs a salary?

Louis B.

Every ideologue has used truth as an excuse for muzzling dissent.

The minute we start thinking it's okay to muzzle political opponents, all is lost.

Exactly. Half of cable TV hosts are also talk-radio hosts. (Where do they find the time?)

Agreed - no fundamental right at all. That's also why you can turn off the tv or change the channel.

+ While on some level I think increasing the amount of raw information available from first hand accounts is useful (perhaps there should be some method [. . .]
+ Fair point. Individual hosts should exercise their right to invite whoever they want or not to - but it seems silly for entire stations [. . .]
Jaybird

Word. Unless it's pro wrestling, I refuse to watch it. Everyone else is pretending they aren't lying to you.

Boycotts are fine. I have my own personal one going on right now, against talk radio and television in general.

+ There's no fundamental right to be an obnoxious jackass on national TV. There just isn't. Paying the price for lacking in civility seems to me, [. . .]
+ Right. Chris Mathews finally got tired of Anne Coulter's hijinks and stopped booking her, if memory serves. It's not so much "banning" as "not inviting them [. . .]
North

Gotta second Jaybird on Descent. Or any other boardgames but only if he's a boardgame geek. I love Descent myself.

+ Not necessarily. Longer lines could indicate lots of things. It could indicate worse people at the desk or more paperwork to fill out [. . .]
+ Sorry, to follow up a little on this. How often to Limbaugh, Levin et. al allow reasoned discourse to happen on their shows? It seems to [. . .]
Jaybird
+ I fully support the idea of boycotts. The problem with boycotts is that, in the case of, say, Fox, it's not like the people most opposed [. . .]
St.John McCloskey
+ no no mate, As I said, I appreciate most of what you've said, particularly what you'd like to see in a plan. And I know it's [. . .]

Sure. They are well within their bounds. That doesn't make Conor's argument that they should ban talk-radio hosts correct, however.

+ I was under the impression that as private entities, cable networks should be well within their bounds to ban people from accessing their platform to [. . .]
+ Here is the wiki entry on "thou" by the way if people are interested in the word more than in the debate between Freddie and [. . .]
ElectronJohn
+ Hi Jack, I did not see any question in your last post, but I got HCI for my employees through PayChex, they also do my payroll, [. . .]
+ John, buddy, you gotta get on the sarcasm bandwagon. After that maybe you can start reading the post for what it is. And...well, [. . .]
St.John McCloskey
+ I have to say that your first paragraph is neither rational nor sensible, but overall I'm glad you're adding to the discussion. I think it's [. . .]

Strip clubs are beyond cliched and cheesy. Plus, the drinks suck and cost a lot. F-that!

Dan Miller
+ I forgot to mention--for a post-skydive drink, be sure to check out the Gibson. The best cocktails I've ever had, and the atmosphere is [. . .]
St.John McCloskey
+ Has anyone considered making health insurance and either whole or term life insurance a package deal? (I cant imagine how term might work, but maybe [. . .]
 
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