State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

public plans, vouchers, and choice
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How Conservatives Can Begin Thinking About a Public Health Option
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musician’s cooperative
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I sincerely hope
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charts can be deceiving
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The comments...

BCChase
+ There's one other, entirely different critique I would make of the "deregulate the insurance industry" point: if you let the insurers go national, I think [. . .]
Jaybird
+ And getting the young who want only Major Medical to instead get something absolutely comprehensive to help pay for the elderly strikes me as somewhat [. . .]
Bob

I'm guessing he said it AFTER the fix for his buddies was in.

Travis

Actually, Rifle, Colorado is sitting on the floodplain of the Colorado River. It's a place eminently prone to flooding.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&q=Rifle,+Colorado&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&split=0&gl=us&ei=5etgSqPLLpKSlAfiz_DICQ&ll=39.530956,-107.782745&spn=0.020654,0.032401&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A

TheCrestedHelm
+ I think Bob makes an important point. There are alot of different universal care options out there. Whenever those systems get demagogued, people bring up [. . .]
Michael Drew
+ I believe the situation is that to insure someone a company has to have a business address (thus be subject to taxation and regulation) in [. . .]
+ Oh, I'm not suggesting that government be involved in the least in terms of the availability of tv and cable packages. I'm just saying [. . .]
+ So was the current collapse the fault of Riegle-Neal or Glass-Steagle? I mean, without personally weighing in on the merits of Glass-Steagle, it seems [. . .]

There has been surprisingly little discussion of the portion of this post calling for vouchers alongside the public plan. Any thoughts?

Sully Fick
+ Quick Answer - Glass-Steagle allowed banks to merge with investment banks. Riegle-Neal allowed interstate banking. Riegle-Neal was already allowed when Glass-Steagle was repealed. IMO, [. . .]
+ Heh. I have a tiny two-bedroom apartment. But I may have some other space-options. I mean, we jam out in a garage [. . .]

I am, actually, somewhat ambivalent about the propriety of such a move.

Keep government out of my tv and my cable packages please.

+ When I was still in Jerusalem, I lived across the square from a terrific artists' coop called Barbur (Swan). I believe they did some [. . .]
+ Actually, the beer industry was one of the first to get deregulated under Jimmy Carter, which makes it an example with one of the longest [. . .]
greginak

Geez it was just a catty jibe.

+ Disparity has indeed grown between the very wealthy and the rest of us. But a better question would look at the overall standards of [. . .]
Michael Drew

He's really not. This is a creature of Congress -- he's really just trying to make sure something that meets some basic criteria passes.

greginak

The gov didn't "grant" them airwaves. The airwaves are public and each station got a license to use part of the public waves.

Michael Drew
+ That's why Obama isn't trying to force an individual mandate down our throats the way Hillary Clinton would have. He's instead trying to "Nudge" [. . .]
Sully Fick
+ You're welcome. Didn't mean to be rude. Perhaps I allowed my ire at lazy arguments to get the better of me. You are correct that it [. . .]
Bob

From Wiki:

"Flood insurance is available for residents of approximately 19,000 communities nationwide."

I bet a billizon dollars Rifle is not one of them.

Sully Fick
+ Well, now we're really having an apples/oranges conversation. Back in the day there was ABC, CBS, NBC. Now, these are minor players, and we have GE, Westinghouse, [. . .]
Jaybird

Did he say this in or around a paragraph in which he supported bailing out his rich friends?

+ Quick question - did repealing Glass-Steagal allow banks to compete across state lines or was that already allowed prior to said repeal? I [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Sure. But forcing people in, say, Rifle to pay for flood insurance to help cover people in New Orleans strikes me as somewhat shady. New Orleans [. . .]
Chad
+ Maybe I'm wrong here, but isn't that how insurance works? Insurance companies use the money from the l0w-risk customers to pay for the claims [. . .]
Sully Fick
+ "Were banks prevented from operating across state lines [in the 80s and 90s]?" Well, um, yes. The Reigle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act of [. . .]
+ You are ignoring the fact that cable has increased in both the number of channels and the availability of programming as well as inflation. [. . .]
Herb

I detect some sarcasm in your AT&T remark. :)

Jaybird

You could have voted for Charles Jay, unless you live in one of the 43 states that didn't have him on the ballot.

Herb
+ I don't want insurance companies skimming their percentage...period. I certainly don't want them competing for the honor. I'd like to remove them from the process [. . .]
Sully Fick
+ Give it time, Mark Thompson. In the early years, deregulation often leads to greater competition. Yet, over time, deregulation almost always leads to monopolies. [. . .]
Bob
+ Even the late great A. Greenspan (I don't mean he is dead, just not great) admitted that markets can't be trusted to self-regulate. What [. . .]
Bob Cheeks
+ Good question, E.D., but a Dem legislature and Repub Pres or visa versa would probably have done some heavy compromising. As I've mentioned before, the [. . .]

Oh, and Sully, thanks for engaging in the conversation, your really rude and unnecessary comment in the other thread notwithstanding.

+ Actually, Mike, I long for the days of AT&T when I didn't have to choose between all these pesky phone service providers. That kept [. . .]
+ Were banks prevented from operating across state lines? In the 90's were banks limited to essentially one per town? Or could banks compete [. . .]
+ Even if a field has only a few big players, they have to get customers through quality and cost, like E.D. wrote, because if the [. . .]
+ Uhh.....regulations usually/often protect monopolies and oligopolies by dramatically increasing barriers to entry (see, e.g., the way in which AT&T's monopoly was heavily reliant on massive [. . .]
Bob

There is no god, look what happened to the Pope. I wonder, does the Pope have coverage?

Sully Fick
+ (You posted right as I was writing the reply below) :) So, your answer really just boils down to: Let the Magic Market work its magic, [. . .]
sidereal

Sorry, which part of this story intersected with the free market? The union contract jurisdiction dispute or the mercenary government lobbying organization?

+ New trade theory applies here, I think. You may wind up with fewer overall insurance producers, but you will also wind up with a [. . .]
sidereal

Depends on how good the stew is.

Sully Fick
+ I second this. And, would like to hear an explanation of why deregulation won't lead to greater monopolies. In fact, please point to a single example of [. . .]
 
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