State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

nota bene
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quote of the day
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Begetting Worse Politicians
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One Last Thing About the Palin Inquisition
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on the other hand
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Whigs!
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I bet you don’t think this post is about you, do you?
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M. van Buren: 25 Random Things about Me
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why are we asking for health care reform?
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The comments...

Bob
+ As a general proposition I don't object to the criteria you list. But you realize that interpretation of your list will very depending on [. . .]
+ Well, Bob, I can accept the proposition that in a society that is not purely libertarian, some things will be regulated by the state despite [. . .]
+ are there organizations delivering the same consistent, breaking coverage as the nyt? even with the "amazing array" they're a daily read for me, as [. . .]
Bob
+ Oh, I don't know. Are we to restrict our comments to personnel trainers, and possible regulation, or is the entire subject of regulation on [. . .]
matoko_chan
+ I'm right and Jaybird is wrong.....again. Thing is...growing up, I thought conservatives were the good guys. Palin just exposed the evil snake oil. Palin represents a desire to [. . .]

The right needs to learn to fight. The left plays the dirty game. Sarah just found out how dirty.
http://animal-farm.us/obama/dirty-game-517

Bob
+ The argument Jaybird and Mark offer is essentially a nihilistic one, they, politicians, are all the same, therefore we, the voters, have no rational [. . .]
Nancy Irving
+ "Florists, for instance, need to be certified in most states, as do hair-stylists. This means expensive schooling for people who may not even need it. [. . .]
+ It's entirely possible that people are too lazy or dumb to check into whether personal trainers are certified by a reputable privateorganization, and then decide [. . .]
conradg
+ "We do regulate haircutters and auto mechanics, conradg." I guess some of them, in some states. I can't find easy answers on the google, but it [. . .]

Charles Selleres, The Market Revolution: Jacksonian America, 1815-46 (1991), not about Jackson per se, more on the period and context.

I take this as an invitation to solicit readers, and a link:
underbelly-buce.blogspot.com

Sam M
+ "The American Medical Association, for example, does fantastic work" But of course... it's ILLEGAL to practice medicine without this license. So you know, that's a pretty [. . .]
Travis
+ We do regulate haircutters and auto mechanics, conradg. Not saying that means personal trainers should be, but yes, most states have registration and licensing requirements for [. . .]
conradg
+ I'm one of those liberal dudes who believes in governmental regulation of all kinds of important things, from financial investments to health and safety codes, [. . .]
+ "Most libertarians don’t take the “life” out of “life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness” seriously enough; ‘pure’ libertarians don’t take it seriously at all, instead [. . .]
Michael
+ Big Teddy Roosevelt fan right here. I'm looking forward to getting a grounding in the 19th century so I know exactly how the Republicans [. . .]
+ Love the post William. As confused as I am about contemporary issues, it’s nice to be able to take a stand somewhere. Here’s [. . .]
+ Here's what I think: as long as personal trainers are not required to be licensed in order to practice, and can still pursue that as [. . .]
+ Try just "personal trainer regulation," which will bring you lots of news stories about states trying to pass some of this legislation, and in those [. . .]
Travis
+ So we should repeal all laws, because moral proscriptions against behavior that harms others is enough? Unfortunately, we don't live in Utopia. Certainly, there were builders who [. . .]
Michael
+ Oh, also: So far, I think that Wilentz has been very sympathetic to Jackson. I have noted multiple instances of his writing something like, "Traditionally [. . .]
+ Of course, that's nothing like what I'm suggesting, and once again, I'm not trying to coerce anyone into doing anything, actually. But it's more fun [. . .]
matoko_chan
+ Ditto. Jaybird can argue all he wants that Palin is just another politician, but what other politician ever nominated would flunk a high school government class [. . .]
Michael
+ Okay -- I'm in the middle of Sean Wilentz's _The Rise of American Democracy_ right now. I am literally in the middle of a [. . .]
+ Dude. You can say all you want that "Politicians are X, and Sarah Palin is also X, and therefore, Sarah Palin is just another politician." [. . .]
Michael
+ I expressed myself very poorly there, using the word "pressing" about a half-dozen times and generally not making much sense at all. I think that Freddie [. . .]
+ "Freddie’s post is meant to tease out others’ rhetorical inconsistencies or identify some other sort of unwitting hypocrisy that the writer has committed. " Oh, if [. . .]
+ What about this approach? 1. The government says that in three years it will recommend a private licensing agency for personal trainers. It appoints [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Not the point of the post. But I live in a part of town where there are houses that are 100 years old still in the [. . .]
Michael
+ A couple of things. 1) I think many libertarians/conservatives (maybe many of us in general) underestimate the benefits we all enjoy as a result [. . .]
Travis
+ Yeah, sure it would, Jaybird. Why do you think municipal building codes were enacted? This is another example of the libertarian fantasy that government regulations exist [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Perhaps we could have a government agency put in charge of people posting their opinions to the web. How many people have been harmed, minds warped, [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Moving down here for clarity. I cannot speak for Mark but I will break down my baseline to see if it helps all y'all at all. Most [. . .]

Are you a personal trainer?

+ I'm sorry, but any number of things could have caused the death, and there is no evidence government regulation would have prevented it. I hate [. . .]
Jaybird
+ See, I'm looking back at most of the presidents we've had in my lifetime and, yep, pretty much all of them were liars, had delusions [. . .]
Jaybird
+ What google searches do you suggest? "harmed by personal trainer" doesn't give me anything. "unlicensed personal trainer" takes me to job websites. I spent a little [. . .]
Bob
+ Jaybird, Travis, myself and others are arguing against your ridiculous argument, picked-up and modified,? by Mark, that she is "just another." (See my comment [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Absolutely! If the SUCA (Sit UP Certification Agency) has been rubber stamping any schmoe that walks in the door with $35 and these schmoes are harming [. . .]
Jaybird
+ I'll bust out the Jefferson. "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of [. . .]
+ You did or did not just frame that previous comment as a damnation of all regulation? Because regulation "grant[s] cartelization power to any corporation with [. . .]
+ I think government can certainly be involved when someone is given bad treatment by a personal trainer. If somebody gets hurt or is defrauded [. . .]
+ What Erik said. In practice, official licensing guidelines mean state-enforced licensure requirements, which is why I'm disallowed from taking money for my services as an [. . .]
Jaybird
+ "It happens all the time." Arguing against someone who is not holding the position you are arguing against because there are plenty of people who do [. . .]
+ [...] I have to say this something that I really appreciate about many on the right and (on the left) Freddie at the League, though [. . .]
 
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