State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

Falsifying the Unfalsifiable
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calling bullshit on bullshit
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“All I want… to kno-ow! All I want!”
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Stimulation After (Economic) Climax
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The Humanitarian Empire
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Thomas Aquinas Meets The Flying Spaghetti Monster
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the democracy fallacy
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Madrick on Case for Big Gov’t
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Opportunity, Society, and the Role of the State
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Good show Cardinals…
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Tales told by idiots, full of sound and fury…
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The comments...

+ Chris: Fair points. I think part of the issue here is that when one publicizes their religious beliefs (or non-beliefs, as the case may be), [. . .]
Jerry
+ I think in this case the angrier argument is the more rational one. Here we have people arguing that they should have the political power [. . .]
+ The individual never used to be held on such a pedestal, and modern conservatism has idolized the nature and potential of the individual far beyond [. . .]
+ Chris, these are all red herrings. You leave out the historical, the human, the fact that the belief in God is not the same [. . .]
Chris Bell
+ Mark, I think we agree to a large extent. I don't really have a problem with ED's beliefs if they don't affect me. I [. . .]
Jerry
+ What's missing from both sides in this argument is an appreciation of how "character" is influenced by family dynamics. People don't make rational choices about [. . .]
+ Jerry: If you think I am directing the "please, be reasonable" directive solely at angry atheists, then I think you misread the post. [. . .]
+ I'm somewhat hesitant to get back into this debate (even though I wrote the post), because it seems to be getting back into the typical [. . .]
+ My buddy Jason and I used to have this plot where we'd go to some sad boy music show like Coldplay or such and then [. . .]
Jerry
+ Mark's argument has the ring of blaming the victim. For decades, the religious right has been trying to secure political power to limit scientific research, [. . .]

Another one of these? I'm just finishing up the Bloggingheads episode with Jeff Madrick (which was quite good). I can't keep up. :)

Chad
+ This discussion is bringing up an question I've always carried around on the subject. Maybe someone here can help me with it. Assuming it is [. . .]
Chris Bell
+ E.D., It's more than just "implausible," it actively contradicts much of what we know about how the world works. Sure, the existence of the [. . .]
Philip Primeau
+ Freddo, you ever heard of Christian Death? Not a big fan in general, but they have one truly inspired song that is reminiscent of vintage [. . .]
Philip Primeau
+ Good time to mention that fucking goddamn "Viva La Vida" is "Song of the Year." http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/02/song-of-the-yea.html What I'd give to see Glenn Danzig assault Chris Martin [. . .]
+ My Favorites I think are 1.Last Caress 2.Astro Zombies 3.Hatebreeders 4.Hybrid Moments 5. Die Die My Darling I also dig "Teenagers from Mars" but that's a little too close to self [. . .]
Philip Primeau

Yeah, in my anti-Freddie rage last night, I accidentally (that word...) posted the Conrad Hilton bit here. Oops.

Philip Primeau
+ And I can remember when I saw her last We were running all around and having a blast But the back seat of the drive-in [. . .]
Philip Primeau

Retouched "Hybrid Moments"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP7wHOHYCdc&feature=related

Philip Primeau
+ God, they were awesome. "Saturday Night" is one of the greatest love songs ever written. Also swell: "Little Angelfuck" and "Last Carress" (possibly the greatest [. . .]
Tim Harris
+ It must be very nice to be a graduate student of theology, living happily above the smoke and stir of this dim spot that men [. . .]
+ Hi Erik, I wasn't really interested in the specifics of the case in re: Peoria and Gaza. My point really is that we have [. . .]
+ [...] different economic universe, I would have liked to see that side of his policy put into effect.  I think government investiture in infrastructure is [. . .]

[...] ED pointed out in this post, the US middle class has been severely and in some sectors mortally wounded.  All the king’s [...]

E.D. Kain
+ Roland, the US did indeed need a bit of help from the French and Dutch to get our feet off the ground. Then again, [. . .]
E.D. Kain
+ Tim, Fine, it's arbitrary. I'm not sure what your point is. I personally find the notion of teaching religion instead of science in a [. . .]
+ [...] Mark Thompson writes: …science demeans itself when it used as a proof of the non-existence of god.  Science is not meant to provide unfalsifiable [. . .]
Chris Bell
+ E.D., Thanks for the straight-forward answer. Here's another fact that most Christians will admit. If they weren't raised in a Christian household (or converted by Christian [. . .]
+ Not to condone Harrison's personal foul, it was terrible, BUT several times during the game blockers went low on him i.e. cut him down at [. . .]
+ Phillip, that street goes two ways. We westerners can also romanticize other cultures/regions from afar without really understanding or bothering to ask what the reality [. . .]
Tim Harris
+ Mr Kain, It is not a quibble over semantics at all, and you of course know it. Please don't fob people off with this sort of [. . .]
+ E.D., dead? No. But in for some pretty vehement skepticism? I think our comment section on the topic bears that out (insofar as it's a [. . .]
E.D. Kain

That said, Paul, thanks very much for stopping over and commenting! It's very much appreciated!

E.D. Kain
+ Paul, that example if you'll pardon my bluntness, is rather awful. I mean, you've failed to add into the mix all the other necessary [. . .]
E.D. Kain

Philip, that last comment...you sure you're on the right thread?

E.D. Kain
+ Chris Bell-- Indeed, I would consider myself in terms of religious views a "liberal" Christian, though I think Christianity itself is best viewed as a sort [. . .]

I think you're overreacting, Phil.

Philip Primeau

What is it about contemporary liberalism that causes its adherents to so doubt and despise the awesome potential of the individual?

E.D. Kain
+ Tim -- I'm sure you think your little riposte is very clever, too, but let me tear it apart for you. First off, the reason intelligent design [. . .]
Philip Primeau
+ “Success seems to be connected to action. Successful people keep moving. They make mistakes, but they don’t quit.” –Conrad Hilton, great grandfather of Paris. And, [. . .]
Philip Primeau
+ "Success seems to be connected to action. Successful people keep moving. They make mistakes, but they don't quit." --Conrad Hilton, great grandfather of Paris. And, [. . .]
Chris Bell
+ E.D., I'm new to the site, and I don't know much about your religious views personally. However, you seem like a "liberal" Christian based on [. . .]
Philip Primeau

"Upward ascent." Heh. Add that to "wet water," I guess.

Philip Primeau
+ All this talk of chance and accident: What trash! What a nasty, sneaky way to sully the achievements of fine men. I'll be sure to [. . .]
Tim Harris
+ I find it amusing that in one breath E.D. Kain talks about the very 'human' notion of intelligent design, and in the next is attributing [. . .]
+ It's true, happenstance plays a major role in how we end up, not the least of which is the accident and fortune or misfortune of [. . .]
E.D. Kain
+ Look, to all who make the point that the New Atheists have to write this sort of book to ever even be heard--that is a [. . .]
 
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