State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

calling bullshit on bullshit
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The Humanitarian Empire
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Falsifying the Unfalsifiable
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Tales told by idiots, full of sound and fury…
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the grad trap
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the inevitability dodge
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A poem for Sunday
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The comments...

Philip Primeau
+ “Success seems to be connected to action. Successful people keep moving. They make mistakes, but they don’t quit.” –Conrad Hilton, great grandfather of Paris. And, [. . .]
Philip Primeau
+ "Success seems to be connected to action. Successful people keep moving. They make mistakes, but they don't quit." --Conrad Hilton, great grandfather of Paris. And, [. . .]
Chris Bell
+ E.D., I'm new to the site, and I don't know much about your religious views personally. However, you seem like a "liberal" Christian based on [. . .]
Philip Primeau

"Upward ascent." Heh. Add that to "wet water," I guess.

Philip Primeau
+ All this talk of chance and accident: What trash! What a nasty, sneaky way to sully the achievements of fine men. I'll be sure to [. . .]
Tim Harris
+ I find it amusing that in one breath E.D. Kain talks about the very 'human' notion of intelligent design, and in the next is attributing [. . .]
+ It's true, happenstance plays a major role in how we end up, not the least of which is the accident and fortune or misfortune of [. . .]
E.D. Kain
+ Look, to all who make the point that the New Atheists have to write this sort of book to ever even be heard--that is a [. . .]
E.D. Kain
+ Cello-- Kain, perhaps you mean something different than I do when you say you believe in evolution. So let’s get more specific. Do you and [. . .]

I appreciate this dialogue.

Here's to the Academy "living up to its ideals."

Bob
+ Philip, Freddie is the, MAN. But does not qualify as an example of "liberals... championing culture without judgment...." I'll bet a [. . .]
+ Ah, the old trick of purposely confusing "God" with "gods", and then drawing false conclusions like: "There is, to be blunt, no scientific way to [. . .]
James Williams
+ Excellent post, Freddie, and excellent last comment. I'm so glad to see that your recent hiatus from blogging was just a hiatus, and not [. . .]
+ I am calling, in fact, for a society with the integrity and the honesty to include itself in its criticism, and one which confronts the [. . .]
y81
+ What president would be stupid enough to undertake a humanitarian intervention? It might take five years to succeed instead of three and thus be [. . .]
Philip Primeau
+ "I’m sorry, Phil, but that’s just utterly at odds with real life, and believing it disqualifies you from the ranks of the thoughtful." "Real life" as [. . .]
Philip Primeau
+ "“…liberals for shamelessly championing of a culture without judgment," Freddie's post is a great example. The irresponsible skank isn't a cautionary tale, a public drain to [. . .]
+ There’re winners and there’re losers, and the category in which you end up is largely in your own hands. I'm sorry, Phil, but that's just utterly [. . .]
Bob
+ Philp asserts, "...liberals for shamelessly championing of a culture without judgment, ..." Please pleas please explain. Examples would be really really really [. . .]

“from a humanitarian and democracy promotion standpoint, intervention has produced far more failures than successes.”

Sure. And Waffen SS won the Battle of Midway too.

Philip Primeau
+ As the son of a dude who's pretty much the American dream incarnate (single parent family, lots of siblings with little money, barely graduated high [. . .]
Philip Primeau
+ Well, I suppose the father ... fathers, probably ... are also to blame, but they're probably equally pitiful failures who've shot themselves in the feet [. . .]
Philip Primeau
+ Really, how funny is it that Freddie thinks that a woman with two kids, no husband, no high school diploma, and a booze problem has [. . .]
+ "My point exactly: Philip Primeau does not know of what he speaks. It’s easy for everyone who’s not in it and hard for everyone who is. [. . .]
+ Both conservatives and liberals are responsible for the destruction of the American dream (or its transubstantiation into a fiction): Conservatives (and their neoliberal bedfellows) for [. . .]
+ My point exactly: Philip Primeau does not know of what he speaks. It's easy for everyone who's not in it and hard for everyone who is. [. . .]
+ "I would dearly love these guys, or Andrew, to step into the body of a single black mother from Hartford with two children, no high [. . .]
+ Empire builders have always labored under the (not totally false) belief that they are engaging in a sort of humanitarian venture. You know, civilizing the [. . .]
Tim Harris
+ Yes, I wish the 'theists' would have the courage and simple honesty to come out and say what, precisely, they believe in, instead of indulging [. . .]
Ned Lawrence
+ "non-ridiculous inner-space lifestyles"? Your ridiculous inner-space post suggests the possibility that you have been educated beyond your intelligence. okay, now I must leave this page of [. . .]
Chris Bell
+ Wow, Ned. I don't think I'll be spending much time responding to you if you're going to respond in such a smug way without [. . .]
Sophie Amrain
+ For a peaceful society it would probably be best to assume that the existence of God can be neither proven nor disproven. But from a [. . .]
+ Yes and no. I agree that the urge to keep up the ol' Cosmic Quibble is tiresome. However, as the Simpson neighbor lady always says, [. . .]
Ned Lawrence
+ Chris, Of course there is no agreed myth until you "buy in". Do you not understand what a myth is? You must, since you go [. . .]
+ [...] calling bullshit on bullshit | The League of Ordinary Gentlemen Freddie calls bullshit on yet "another frivolous experiment that seeks to show that bootstrapping [. . .]
Chris Bell
+ Ned, don't be silly. We're all nihlists by your definition. No culture has ever established a functional system of communication that is not based [. . .]
michael
+ But similarly, science demeans itself when it used as a proof of the non-existence of god. Science is not meant to provide unfalsifiable answers, [. . .]
Cello
+ E.D. Kain says, "most of the Christians I know (I think ALL of the Christians I know) believe in evolution and do not want to [. . .]
Miguel Jimenez
+ Atheists, (literalist) believers, and agnostics all succumb to the Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness. The fallacy brings forth an imaginary playing field, where the atheists and believers take opposite [. . .]
BP

I say I say, you lot have much better taste than Sullivan or Coates.

Ned Lawrence
+ E.D. , hope you understand I am not calling you a fool personally :). My point is that every one has only two rational positions: myth [. . .]

a personal favorite. great choice

+ E.D.: Then why try? As I think you implied above--to sell books, or, more creditably, to ensure these ideas get injected into the civil discourse. The [. . .]
Ned Lawrence
+ No disrespect intended, but your essay misses the point completely. And is from an intellectual standpoint, fundamentally dishonest. You are right that a bestseller awaits [. . .]
+ We haven't really saved anyone from genocide in Eastern Europe. We've adopted an age old stewardship of a region that needs badly to work [. . .]
+ Jack, thanks...and you and the many who have critiqued my critique of Dawkins are right on that score also, to some degree. What irked [. . .]
+ I think that your summary of Russell's teapot and the Spaghetti Monster illustrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the point those metaphors. "Essentially, they claim that [. . .]
 
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