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Morning Ed: Politics {2017.04.23.Su}
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pillsy
+ Again, I didn’t say that the voters in Philly and LA and New York didn’t count. Their votes counted just as much as any [. . .]
George Turner
+ Heck, Trump would've won Kentucky by 20 million votes if it was a national contest. We have countless millions of Mullins, Miracles, and McCrearys [. . .]
George Turner
+ UK Guardian, feb 2008 Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture [. . .]
Stillwater
+ De-lurking to give this comment a +1: The rules were known in advance. Obama didn’t seem to have a problem winning the electoral college twice, [. . .]
George Turner
+ Again, I didn't say that the voters in Philly and LA and New York didn't count. Their votes counted just as much as any [. . .]
+ How things have been done in the past doesn't matter in an argument about how things ought to be done. The claim you're making about [. . .]
pillsy
+ This just in: The US goes by the electoral college and has since its founding. "This system is good because it's old," is not a great [. . .]
George Turner
+ This just in: The US goes by the electoral college and has since its founding. You scored more offensive yardage but lost on touch downs. You [. . .]
pillsy

Today I learned the state governments in California and New York can abolish the Electoral College on their own.

George Turner

And that conspiracy theory was started by ... drumroll ... Hillary Clinton.

George Turner
+ The rules were known in advance. Obama didn't seem to have a problem winning the electoral college twice, nor did Bill Clinton. Hillary was stumped, [. . .]
+ Dude, "Hillary Clinton only got more votes because these places were counted" is the weakest defense of the electoral college that exists. It would be analogous [. . .]
pillsy

Fortunately the swing the other way isn't nearly so big.

On the other hand, Melancon is still quite a jackhole.

Noteworthy:

pillsy
+ This from a party that declared half of America to be a basket of deplorables, "You said mean things about us, so your votes should count [. . .]
+ They think that it's their right to choose the President if more voters vote for their favored candidate than the other guy, and the fact [. . .]
pillsy
+ Did you hear Republicans spend the past four years whining about how well Mitt Romney did in Salt Lake City? No, they just whined about [. . .]
George Turner
+ This from a party that declared half of America to be a basket of deplorables, then corrected the gaff by offering that perhaps only a [. . .]
+ So all that's needed for an electoral system to be fair is for the rules to be known in advance? Why not cut to the [. . .]
George Turner
+ Urban minorities votes count as much as anyone else's - in their own state contest. Unfortunately Hillary didn't do well in many states. [. . .]
pillsy
+ In other words, tens of millions of people are arbitrarily declared to not be Americans because of where they live, despite the fact that they [. . .]
George Turner
+ If their votes weren't important, Donald Trump wouldn't be President. The rules for US elections were laid out two centuries ago. It's not Trump's fault [. . .]
+ And it's obviously so unfair of people to conclude that folks like you are bigoted, what with how you're explicitly arguing that urban minorities aren't [. . .]
George Turner
+ They are very much less real. Basically we're talking about Manhattan, LA, San Francisco, and Sacramento. The urban elites who think the rest of us [. . .]
+ In other words you think that the WWC is more important and that their votes should count more. Is there any even vaguely plausible argument [. . .]
pillsy
+ In addition to people living in CA and NY, black voters also evidently don't count. This whole "Electoral College" thing is really sounding great, and like [. . .]
George Turner
+ Did she just spend time in Philly, trying to round up more black votes, or did she campaign where the white working class was getting [. . .]
George Turner
+ And what did Chelsea do with her history degree from Stanford? She went on to get two degrees in international grifting, which she put [. . .]
+ Again, this sounds to me like you're saying that the pre-Shelby County VRA was constitutional but should have been reformed, not that the ruling was [. . .]
pillsy

Still, Melanchon dicking around is another of those things that needs to happen for LePen to win, and it does seem to be happening.

pillsy

States don't have grandparents.

+ Republicains are lining up to endorse Macron, as has the Socialist nominee. So unless something big happens in the next week I think we're good [. . .]
Dark Matter
+ Oh, preclearance is certainly permissible (although yes, from a policy standpoint IMHO there are larger problems now-days and better uses for scarce resources... even if [. . .]

Pennsylvania is a state she at least did spend some time. It's Wisconsin and Michigan she is criticized for, usually.

Doctor Jay
+ It is unquestionable that she benefited from "white privilege". She also graduated from Stanford with highest honors. I'm pretty sure they don't hand [. . .]
Dark Matter

If you have a better answer you should try posting it. You can't beat something with nothing.

pillsy

Looks like Melanchon is refusing to either concede or endorse another candidate.

Welp.

Kolohe

So much for Le Pen is mightier.

pillsy

One thing it means is that the polling was dead on.

Also, Le Pen is probably pretty hosed.

Kazzy
+ CNN reporting that LePen is coming in at almost 22% and Macron is in the lead with 24%, projecting them to advance to a run [. . .]
George Turner

I once looked up "unearned white privilege" in the urban dictionary. I saw Chelsea Clinton's face staring back at me.

George Turner

But technology is letting Democrats see life outside the bubble.

I'm not stuck in a liberal bubble anymore

Doctor Jay
+ Well, I just read that piece about Chelsea Clinton. And I'm thanking Marr (a god in a fantasy world) for lede paragraphs and the [. . .]
George Turner
+ I haven't read Vance's book, but I'm from deep in Eastern Kentucky. That said, there are few problems that can't be solved by the [. . .]
LeeEsq

What they are angry about is that we question their shibboleths.

LeeEsq
+ I always find it strange that most people on LGM define themselves as liberals even thought they have any me really far left and illiberal [. . .]
 
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