State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

The Opening of the Boy Scouts
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Linky Friday: Blood & Money
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Plausible Misconceptions
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Thinking about Obsolete Sins
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Morning Ed: Politics {2017.10.23.M}
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The comments...

Kazzy
+ The idea that there exist things kids don't want and that this is all about the parents shows a fundamental misunderstanding of children and a [. . .]
Richard Hershberger
+ it was usually a small handful of dedicated people that held a pack or troop together — not that everyone didn’t work, but there [. . .]
Kazzy
+ Hopefully you would love and support that child and find means to connect with him in meaningful ways, sometimes around his interests and sometimes around [. . .]
Oscar Gordon
+ That isn't what Equality of Opportunity is, which is why you are getting push back. Equality of Opportunity is removing, or at least minimizing, structural impediments [. . .]

Oh, then, sure. Let's run with that.

Stillwater

"I think gays should be allowed to marry. They should have to suffer just like heterosexuals."

+ I have a lot of opinions about that. But none of them involve telling the people who sponsor their own streetlight that they're disadvantaging me by [. . .]
+ So let's narrow the scope. All the way down to "reading to your own children" and whether doing so constitutes doing anything, anything at all, unfairly [. . .]
Stillwater
+ So you’re proposing a non-solution to the problem. Disagree. Let's agree that the problem is a restriction of rights which LGBTQ are accorded. The solution to [. . .]
Maribou
+ Sorry, I should have said parents have to prove their kids are learning to read in order to be allowed to homeschool them. Figured it was [. . .]
Maribou
+ @aaron-david There are plenty of girls who want to be in BSA and have said so, and plenty of people who weren't allowed in BSA [. . .]
pillsy
+ I don't see how we can possibly have Equality of Opportunity when some kids get advantages that others don't, entirely on the basis of how [. . .]
pillsy
+ One of the things I keep coming back to is that we've constructed an educational system that (intentionally, it seems) is a zero-sum competition for [. . .]
Saul Degraw
+ Interestingly this brings up some of my own hesitance and ambivalence about becoming a parent. I'm at the age where I know a lot of people [. . .]
pillsy
+ No, a different set of assumptions. But since you're so concerned about limiting principles, there's no obvious limiting principle that prevents your "absurd conclusion" for [. . .]
Nevermoor

Once you make a defamatory statement you can be sued for it and ordered to take it down.

That's about it.

aaron david
+ Some interesting thoughts and comments here, this being a topic I have thought a bit about. I was a scout, life scout being where I [. . .]
DavidTC
+ You may be right on that one. My original example was going to be the Federal Reserve, of which more people are more likely to [. . .]
Nevermoor
+ Recognizing this wasn't a serious comment, it still highlights the difference. An ambassador is essentially an ornamental function (in most of the world) where someone rich [. . .]
Oscar Gordon

I don't know that it is bad science exactly, but it certainly is a science where the reach of the claim far exceeds it's grasp.

Morat20
+ You don't think some of the Boy Scouts might want to bail if girls join? Whatever reasons BSA claimed, I believe this move was more [. . .]
Oscar Gordon

Good 'Ol Progressive NYC mayors, cracking down on Progressive things because the signal isn't quite right.

Kolohe
+ I mean, in the big picture, there's the no doubt correct notion that the Fed pushing on a string can't do much and goverment fiscal [. . .]
Nevermoor
+ So it sounds from your answer that you've spent some time thinking about these or learning about them, but your description doesn't mesh with my [. . .]
Kolohe
+ po8- Bar-Yam's institute uses historical data, computer modeling, and big data to figure out solutions and explanations to the world's most complex problems (hence [. . .]
+ Roland, I'll just piggyback on all the comments here and points in your OP. It really all just depends on the troop. It's another area where [. . .]
LeeEsq

Po8 - Now if we can only get the wealthy to go along with this.

Maribou
+ @gabriel-conroy Ah, see, that sort of oddity (that actually does get explained/contextualized by the rest of the books, just indirectly rather than directly) is part [. . .]
+ "As for scouting, people who like Boy Scouts tend to talk a lot about the woodsy stuff." This is true. I've never heard a Scout reminisce [. . .]
Oscar Gordon
+ PO8 - It'll never fly[1], because someone will challenge it in court, and SCOTUS doesn't do hard math, so it'll get shot down. [1] [. . .]
Oscar Gordon
+ @pillsy You are arguing Equality of Outcome versus Equality of Opportunity. If your argument is that the Outcome should equalize to the lowest common [. . .]
dragonfrog
+ As @maribou points out, Poe's law has nothing to do with whether something is racist or not. It's that it's effectively impossible to write [. . .]
InMD
+ Let's not be obtuse though. In a zero-sum, Malthusian world, yes, I suppose in a certain very general and aggregate sense setting policy so [. . .]
+ This is amusing in the sense that you live in a city where the folks in charge turned off a third of the streetlights, but [. . .]
Maribou
+ " herd protection, programs that subsidize vaccines for children, and soft requirements that children get vaccinated" There is plenty of evidence that people who read more [. . .]
Maribou
+ @pillsy Except I don't have any kids of my own, the kid I was reading to was my niece, and my love of reading (and [. . .]

Like the ones that the guy who made the original quote made?

pillsy

I think it's only an absurd conclusion if you're making certain other assumptions that go along with it.

pillsy

Turn on lights in those parks, too!

Wouldn't that unfairly disadvantage people in other parks?

Maribou
+ @tom-sarsfield You weren't just inflammatory, you were impossible to distinguish from the people you are mad at, except for accidentally suggesting that you were worse [. . .]

The weird thing is that this "problem" would be "solved" by the parents not reading to their kids anymore.

This is an absurd conclusion.

PD Shaw
+ I think your point strays a bit by using products to buy children as an example, but I think your point is strong in terms [. . .]
pillsy

Well, there are lights in the park, too.

Shouldn't we turn them on?

pillsy
+ Well, yes, I mean I think it's reasonable to direct a measure of moral opprobrium at parents who are making sure that their children benefit [. . .]
+ A policeman sees a drunk man searching for something under a streetlight and asks what the drunk has lost. He says he lost his keys [. . .]
 
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